Your friend did, multiple times. The entire point of this was to show a TRACK lock that matches the ranges he claimed them to be possible at.
So where’s the problem actually ?
Technically 20km isn’t even the maximum value. Similarly to tracking ranges of IR missiles (radar not sure, they may instead just be range gated) or laser acquisition ranges on SALH weapons, the value listed is some particular range for a particular scenario. Which means you can exceed the listed value as well.
Against ships for instance you can get way longer tracking ranges:
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What’s the point of all this conversation, generally speaking
Id guess the theoretical maximum is closely tied to the Tpod ranges, which was 20km and is now 30km.
But I do wonder if CCRP allows for targets to be engaged and eventually tracked at ranges even greater.
Honestly idk, I just occasionally read what’s new in here.
I thiiiink it had something do with the Kh-38MT IIR seeker at some point, about the tracking ranges of that thing in-game vs the kinematic range of the weapon, and how the seekrs are all the same copy paste anyway. Something like that. Otherwise all off-topic pretty much yeah.
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How does CCRP come into the equation if I may ask? TV/IIR all require a point lock at least to even be allowed off the rails, so that will the limiting factor for those weapons. And point lock seems to be roughly if not simply just limited to the max TGP range, so 30km now yea. At least I can’t seem to get a lock at all for 30km+
point lock is not purely restricted to TGP range, I was trying to test mav flight performance and was unable to get point lock until roughly 25km in pretty decent weather
I think it is limited to the 30km range, it’s just that the maverick’s point lock range is limited to 24km (as per the gamefiles and spreadsheet) and unlike target tracking ranges, this one does not seem to change (only due to weather I guess, but that’s just because weather is just clouds/fog blocking LOS I think).
I feel the point lock range serves as a hard cap on the tracking range as well.
KH-38MT has IOG and AASM have GNSS and so might be able to to target a fixed point using the map mark functionality and then be fired off. The question is whether they will start to track a target when in range or not.
I don’t currently have access to either but I think using the fire button will still bring up the seeker box instead, which will prevent you from firing beyond the point lock range.
The lock ranges shown on the spreadsheet are just the lock range for a standardized target, which leads to variance based on multiple ingame factors.
For example, the “standard” target used for AAM lock ranges is iirc a MiG-15 flying at M0.9.
I’m not sure what the “standard” target for air to surface munitions is, but factors like ambiant temp of the map, vehicle temps (has it been driving/shooting, has it been stationnary with its engine on, has it had its engine off for a bit, etc…), target size, background surface temp, etc… all matter.
Its fact a lot of ppl misunderstand when they read the spreadsheet.
Indeed. For IR missiles, not sure if for radar missiles too, we know at least that the MiG-15 (full throttle M0.8 at sealevel) is used as it once was mentioned by the missile dev himself.
TV lock ranges of the AGM-65A and B (and any who use the same values) were calibrated using an M60 (IIRC) to achieve ~3 and ~6km tracking range respectively (confirmed in a changelog when Mav lock ranges were nerfed). Thing is though the actual for instance 6km value of the 65A is arbitrary I guess and just roughly corresepond to double the M60 lock range. All the other factors you mention probably matter too, because the tracking ranges can vary a lot and it seems that there is indeed more at play than just apparent size. Would love for the missile dev to confirm all those mechanics though.
It’s max range max which actually determines the upper maximum lock range iirc, for example on the aim-9g:
“rangeBand0”: 5500.0,
“rangeBand2”: 8000.0,
“rangeBand3”: 8000.0,
“rangeBand7”: 1000.0,
“rangeMax”: 11000.0,
So a true maximum lock range of 11km, assuming conditions allow for it. It’s also why some missiles like the AAM-3 can get like 10km front aspect locks when the range bands say they should be limited to like 6. That being said, the range bands on AGMs is usually pretty close to their max range stat, ie the AGM-65G has a range band of 20km and a max of 24, so even if the variance allows for it it’s unlikely an AGM will significantly exceed it’s rangeband anyways, the exception being the KH-38MT due to it’s longer max range due to its ground lock range.
Its not, or atleast was not last I checked. I had submitted a bug report a few years back where, due to its absurdly high heat signature, the R-60MK was capable of locking an F-14A through over 30km of clouds in rear aspect, well beyond any of the ranges stated in its code. As stated, the range bands in the code are given for a preselected standardized target. Targets that deviate from this standard will cause the lock range to also vary. Maybe they changed how their code works since then, but I havent heard anything about that.
For those who doubt my claim about 30km+ rear aspect lock through clouds, heres the bug report along with one of the pics I didnt add to the report properly and cant be publicly seen:
Community Bug Reporting System
Also, this whole convo is just massively off topic at this point. Could y’all please take the respective debates to the correct threads and come back to discussing the Kh-38MT please?
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yes but do the videos shot it autonomously tracking with its onboard IIR system or is it being guided via data link from the helicopters tracking system as it is known to employ MITL guidance
I’ve seen the videos he’s referring to, they are definitely autonomously tracking the target after the gunner locks onto the IR signature of the vehicles.
Oh ok i thought laser are LOAL. Sry my bad