KH-38 isnt in question. Only the thermal seeker which so far appears to have been a mock-up they abandonned
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I was talking about LJDAMS, which did come with the EFs and are claimed to have been spammed out which they weren’t.
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Which was such a slap in the face given it came in the same update as the Su-34. SAL brimstones on a slow platform with limited self defence was considered too OP had to be massively nerfed but the SU-34 with R-77s, a half decent FM and 6x KH-38MTs was considered fine
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These came with the ASSTA 1 Tornado but if a Tornado managed to “LJDAM spam” then I am very worried for the skill state of all Pantsir players, cus Tornado is the LAST THING I’d expect to perform a succesful CAS sortie in this day and age.
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Spawn rushers are easy to kill though.
Also, idk I don’t die to cas super often, if I do it’s usually a plane, like 75% of the time.
Nobody played the Su-25sm3, people did play the Su-34 but no thermals so it was less effective, people do now play alot of the Su-30 because it’s good…??
Same thing lmao, LJDAMs came with the additional upgrade to german Tornado ASSTA1 into ASSTA3 that let it use LJDAMs. This was also during November 2024s Firebird update.
Eurofighter didnt bring LJDAMs with them, they were available pre-EFT.
Only thing EFT really changed was that it was a more mobile platform, with access to Brimstones/P4s/LJDAMs and A2A munitions to be able to defend itself unlike ASSTA1(3) and GR.4 Tornadoes
It’s a lie.
It’s a lie once again.
Because it’s even easier.
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Idk there seems to be more nukes dropped by brimstone carrying planes than any other atm
A “realistic” FnF range would be extremely low (possibly around 3 km or so), as its mmW radar can’t acquire tank sized targets beyond that. So a FnF Brimstone without LOAL would either be borderline useless or break physics. Which option would you prefer?
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“seems” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence, given the fundamental difference between the available contemporary munitions
Hey man, pss. It should be the same for 38mt…
only if it is static… where well, it wouldnt have any problems to get closer
Lying? In my War Thunder forum thread?
People SPAMMED the Su-25SM3 back in the day, the only reason why you aren’t seeing it as much nowdays is cus, psst, there’s two more capable platforms in the game that make it easier to detonate stuff on the ground.
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you do understand that the MT has built in thermal sight (a really good one) with 25x zoom? People that play Su34 (me included) dont use the onboard optics to acquire targets, you use the missile optics
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No. The question of the KH-38MT is if the Russians ever bothered to put an IIR seeker on the KH-38. We know that IIR seekers can work at the ranges they do currently in game. In fact they often work at ranges beyond that in reality.
The target moving or not doesn’t really change anything about the diffraction limit of the seeker.
it does.
theres simply more modes to track you can use(MTI). which has more range
That doesn’t change the diffraction limit either, but you’re right, it would allow you to discriminate targets against clutter at a higher range. Does the Brimstone have an MTI mode? Even if so, it probably won’t quadruple the detection range. And without LOAL functionality the missile would just lose track and self destruct every time your target stops moving.
gaijin literally gave it that because Su-34 has bad optics and they wanted it to be OP, there is absolutely no reason or sources to imply a fictional missile has better optics than many targeting pods
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Brimstone doesnt have any issue tracking moving or stationary targets. The resolution of the seeker is such that it produces near optical quality images with its MMW seeker, which is able to not only locate ground vehicles, but identify them and allow the missile to target a specific part of that target to maximise damage.
How Gaijin is going to implement MMW is unknown. Mode 3 (full LOAL) is perhaps going to be too strong no matter what, but Mode 2 should be more than enough to engage grounds targets just like any IR seeker can currently. Throw in Brimstone 2 as well, and we even match the range performance of the KH-38MT.
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But this is off-topic now and this thread should be entirely about whether or not the Thermal seeker on the KH-38MT ever existed, I have yet to see any evidence beyond mockups and given the lack of any meaningful competition for the KH-38MT, it should never have been added in the first place
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