The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[ron_23]

@An_Pigeon

Then calculate it, use the weight as if it has cannons with ammo mounted, and fuel for an extended flight too. to work into its entire flight charactaristics.

that is totally irrelevant for calculating the lift a surface / wing produces

the lift is totally independent from the weight and is soley are result of the shape of the lifting surface

When a fluid flows around an object, the fluid exerts a force on the object. Lift is the component of this force that is perpendicular to the oncoming flow direction.[1] It contrasts with the drag force, which is the component of the force parallel to the flow direction. Lift conventionally acts in an upward direction in order to counter the force of gravity, but it is defined to act perpendicular to the flow and therefore can act in any direction.

[AlvisWisla]

No, it doesn’t. It means the same exact thing. You read it wrong the first time if you think it means something different.

And Vickers Mk7 didn’t fire L26, and FV4202 didn’t fire the APDS round.

@An_Pigeon
No unfinished prototypes should be removed.

[An_Pigeon]

@ron_2303

that is totally irrelevant for calculating the lift a surface / wing produces

the lift is totally independent from the weight and is soley are result of the shape of the lifting surface

Im talking about its overall flight charactaristics.

the more weight it has, the worse itll fly

[PercussionCap]

@An_Pigeon

Neither. You go and test it for yourself

I believe even you can see why this is not possible with pretty much ANY aircraft in-game.

@An_Pigeon

the kikka wasn’t flown with the weight of the cannons mounted, we have no idea how it could affect the infrastructure of the plane.

Installing a counterweight or adding another fuel tank is really not that complicated. Our Kikka is a little heavier than it was IRL, this should allow enough weight for the guns.

@An_Pigeon

considering the TV guided heads exist

For the Kh-38 there are no TV seekers.

@An_Pigeon

Creative liberties mind you mate.

“Creative liberties” don’t make seekers appear from thin air.

@An_Pigeon

No, it would be comparable to the kikka if we could prove it was actually created. the kikka never mounted guns, nor even dropped a bomb for testing.
we do not have clue what its actual performance was.

The Kikka was created and obviously was good enough at being an airplane to take flight on the first try and remain very stable.

Unlike a certain other plane…

And unlike a certain AGM which has never taken flight.

@An_Pigeon

ostwind II for a start

Ostwind 2 existed.

@An_Pigeon

KIKKA.

Kikka is very real.

@An_Pigeon

we lost the R2Y’s

Which were indeed paper projects, a lot like the Kh-38MT.

@An_Pigeon

F16AJ

@An_Pigeon

Ho ri’s

As with the R2Y2s, they’ll likely be removed shortly after the Thai ground subtree shows up.

@An_Pigeon

You cant claim it was never built, its been mentioned on brochures and what not.

So you can find a picture of a real, functional Kh-38MT like I can with the Kikka? Well why didn’t you say so! Just post it.

@An_Pigeon

You can’t have one and not hte other.

One is real and flew. The other only exists on paper.

[Kobes-Kamov]

Ammunition is completely different to vehicles themselves.

Both of those tanks could fire both those rounds.

[Pvt_Wade]

Kh-38MA

[sudo_su1]

@MotorolaCRO

Bug report it’s maximum range and come back when that gets implemented.

Already reported:

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/r0d3amMJsXUs

[Whisloy]

@PercussionCap

Which is none because the 38MT is the fakest of them all.

@PercussionCap

Unlike the 38MT, the T95E1 actually existed too.

@PercussionCap

And we don’t know if the 38MT was even built at all,

The question stands for it’s homing device not missile it self.

[Xermaz]

that doesn’t make sense though?
the seeker what make it different to the other missile .
the IIR what makes the MT.
while the ML is laser guided.

it’s the same as the like of Tiger 2 105. it’s the 105mm that make it, well, the Tiger 2 105.
if it’s carry the 88 it’s just the Tiger 2 H.

[warhead_beast]

@PercussionCap

As with the R2Y2s, they’ll likely be removed shortly after the Thai ground subtree shows up.

They already have been

[MotorolaCRO]

Only took them a decade.

[Kirb-w]

Gaijin be like:
A Russian ATGM with only a mockup:
“let’s add this bitch and make it the best ATGM in the game”

IRIS-T SLS:

[luque13]

Oh yes cant wait till we try and bug report the ASRAAM…How can the missile turn 35G fly at Mach 3.0+ and hit targets at 25-40km away…

LIES!

[H_ngma]

nah they didnt actually pull that shit again, did they?

[Kirb-w]

Yk what’s the funniest part?

Someone bug reported the range of the Kh-38 to be 70km and they accepted it lmao.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/r0d3amMJsXUs

[An_Pigeon]

@PercussionCap

I believe even you can see why this is not possible with pretty much ANY aircraft in-game.

Then you do what we do for stuff like mig23s etc take the information from numerous tests, use the equations to calculate the flight perfomances.

Bish bash bosh.

@PercussionCap

Installing a counterweight or adding another fuel tank is really not that complicated. Our Kikka is a little heavier than it was IRL, this should allow enough weight for the guns.

We have no idea how the sub structure of thr plane in real life would of handled the guns.

You seem to he missing that part.

@PercussionCap

the Kh-38 there are no TV seekers.

Kh29T seekers.exist, see no reason why they wouldn’t attempt to make a 38 with a tv seeker.

Look at what youre saying for kikka.

• type 5 30mm cannons exists , but were never actually fitted.

• kikka has them in game.

• both kh38 exists and tv seekers, (while i dont agree with the magnification ofc) why cant it exist in game.

We know theres brochures and as you said it fills its intended role

The hypocrisy is a bit stupid, you cant demand the removal of just one bit of kit.

@PercussionCap

“Creative liberties” don’t make seekers appear from thin air.

They made an f16 appear from thin air.
Spaas.
They have made a historical brimstones appear from thin air.
They made the r2ys appear from thin air…
The fact is TV seekers exist, kH38 missiles exist, as well ss the advertising of them.
The intended to sell them

[H_ngma]

do you have a link for the IRIS-T thread by any chance? Becaus that double standard is funny as fuck

[Kirb-w]

gimmie a sec i gotta finis this game real quick

[SwingfireOP]

I think it’s an edited screenshot from this report

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/uM50xadDrBYA

[An_Pigeon]

@PercussionCap

Ostwind 2 existed.

Got proof for that mate.
Cause as far as ive seen it never made it off the drawing board

@PercussionCap

Kikka is very real.

As a test bed with no munitions and armerments fitted.

@PercussionCap

So you can find a picture of a real, functional Kh-38MT like I can with the Kikka? Well why didn’t you say so! Just post it.

You have any evidence of the kikka functioning with weapons, and munitions.
No, you dont.

You have intended purposes much like the kh38mt.

As well as this i cant respond to the F16AJ response as it wont let me quote the photo.

The thing never should of been added, regardless