The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[Thodin]

@Demokrat4

It didn’t even remove the tank’s tracks.

Yep, it did nothing. Just changed to color of some mods, didn’t even knocked them off. Not even the ERA plates went black. Its…just hopeless.

[Thodin]

@O_Warrior0

2 years old photo

It didn’t change, sadly.

[MotorolaCRO]

@SwingfireOP

So by your logic, you wouldn’t want the kikka and the f-16AJ removing unless the KH-38MT is removed at the same time. You would want a patch where everything is fixed all at once.

That’s exactly what someone who opposes fiction in the game would want, all fiction removed in one fell swoop to prevent any hypocrisy and double standard claims afterwards.

@MrBombastic8

kikka stay
f16aj go
kh-38mt begone
“ostwind 2” remodeled to the double stack cannon one
zesto. idk about this one
remove T-80B thermal sight and give it gen 1 with BV mod
happy?

@MrBombastic8
Kikka with guns attached isn’t real and it would be needed to be deleted as well. You also missed quite a few fakes along the way.

Get that sorted out and present it to Gaijin, I’m sure you’ll get loads of support.

[maguumo]

@tripod2008

If you can also ensure there is enough pixels to actually resolve a target from the scene, sure. But past a point Noise, the background and false targets become an issue. So there are practical limits on how small the gate should be as the entire point is to disambiguate the target from the rest of the scene and, the onset of terminal flight conditions where the Target takes up the entire FoV and so no longer produces useful information occurs with a greater distance to the target remaining which extends the time for something to go wrong.

Additionally if the Field of view of the sensor is too small it can throw off other sub-systems or the target can be lost during launch transients, where the seeker’s stabilization is overcome by acceleration applied inertial moment driving it off the target.

So there is a tradeoff to be made IRL as all stages of flight need to be considered as a whole.

Yeah, it wasn’t a perfect example. You could also cut the magnification and current range to target in half and the gate should retain the same size. Main point was that I think you cut out too much of the role the magnification of the optic system plays.
And it makes perfect sense that there’s a middle way that needs to be picked for magnification and thus FoV, but there should be a relatively wide margin depending on what you want from your missile.
The narrow FoV making close in guidance on terminal approach difficult is also probably less of a problem for a very fast missile.

@tripod2008

Sure, but it would place further constraints on the viability of loadouts that omit the TGP lowering the expected kills per flyout in most cases, and considerably hampering the usability of airframes that lack a sufficient sensor option.

Switching back to ingame applications, before they slaved the sensors of individual AGMs together (so you were no longer reset to boresight after every individual one fired) most people used the KH-38MT with the optical targeting system of the Su-25SM3. It’s limiting of course, but really not by all that much.

@tripod2008

Further I would contend that based off it’s spec sheet the -38MT’s intended primary role is almost certainly Anti-Shipping as it’s functional use against Tank sized targets is questionable considering the 4 Kevin requirement to lock on, as it’s unlikely to be able to reliably lock onto vehicles moving around due to lacking contrast, let alone for it to be sufficiently quantized for the tracking gate to even retain a lock (outside cooler ambient temperatures).

That seems like a reasonable estimate in general, this really doesn’t seem like a weaponry system designed against land vehicles in general. The use the KH-38ML saw in real life was also pretty much exclusively against buildings, bridges and fortifications, not vehicles. But the same could probably be said about the AGM-130, and that thing shouldn’t struggle at all to lock and hit vehicles.
Would a delta T of 4 K between target and background really be a problem? No clue what’s normal, but even in a relatively warm environment I would’ve expected that of a running vehicle.

[MotorolaCRO]

@七-十三

Because ppl has been saying to remove the fake shit japan has

To be honest with you, I didn’t really get that impression when looking at the threads in the forum.

Threads that touch up on certain fakes have like 50-100 comments over few months before finally dying down.

I was actually surprised seeing a thread where people literally voted in favor of bringing back recently nuked fiction, just because they found justification for that from their thoughts and feelings, which we all know are subjective.

[MrKrabsPattys]

Can somebody give me a summary of everything here?
Is it real? Is it not? Is it just gaijob implementing stuff that Russia doesn’t even have in service or that never existed?

[ItsOnyy]

It might have not existed operationally and even if it did, the main intended target is factories and ships as its seeker is not sensitive enough to lock onto ground targets. That’s the gist of it with everything we know so far. Props to tripod2008 for his guesswork.

[TheIrishBread]

Wheres the document from KVRT stating they cancelled the IR seeker. See we can both play this game.

[七-十三]

You’re the one defending it’s existence. show me it exist and function like it did in war thunder and i’ll drink my piss.

[MrKrabsPattys]

Thank you

[O_Warrior0]

I found the Export Variant of the KH-38MT also know as the KH-38MTE and if you press this link:
https://roe.ru/en/production/aviatsionnaya-tekhnika-i-vooruzhenie-vozdushno-kosmicheskikh-sil/aviatsionnye-sredstva-porazheniya/upravlyaemye-sredstva-porazheniya/aviatsionnye-upravlyaemye-rakety-obshchego-naznacheniya-klassa-vozdukh-poverkhnost/kh-38mle/

you can see all the KH-38 Type in the 2nd Photo you can see it written in russian, according to Russian people translating, it the KH-38MTE the export version

[TheIrishBread]

Im not, just asking for the same proof gaijin would if you were to raise your claims as a bug report, but you cant provide that hence the common argument of “I havent seen it so it doesnt exist” despite being a part of a government funded program for a modular missile system which means if it was cancelled there would be a paper trail. As for the seeker working the same in game as it does IRL we knew it likely doesn’t as both TV correlation (possibly contrast I cant remember the gaijin post from years back well enough) seekers and the IR seekers of Hammer dont due to engine restrictions and the brochure from Zhuhai 2024 seems to back that up even more.

From the reading I have done recently KTRV were supposed to finish up testing of the MT seeker in 2017 around the same time as the Grom-1. Source

EDIT: Removed last paragraph as I misread Air Surface Missile as Anti Ship Missile during my repeated skims making it redundant and wrong.

[TheIrishBread]

Thats an L in cyrillic not a T. And the seeker design would back that up.

[O_Warrior0]

that the top you have to scroll down to see the T

[TheIrishBread]

I did, second image in the gallery is an MLE, the image before it is the mockup from maks 2017 with what we assume is an IR seeker and the third image in that gallery is again an MLE.

[SwingfireOP]

So just to clarify, even if we accept that thing thing ever proceeded past the mockup stage (it didn’t), then by it’s own marketing brochure it could hit ships at best?

So we have a fake missile, with outrageously boosted capabilities which wrecks top tier balance. How the hell did this thing ever get added?

And people still defend it. Crazy.

[Thodin]

Like Komoran, but the german ASM was ofc forbidden to lock ground targets.

[SwingfireOP]

Yeah, lol

Might be worth bug reporting the seeker. If they’re not going to do us the courtesy of addressing it’s existence then it may be worth bringing it into line with what the marketing material says, regardless of its actual existence.

[bertgame]

Read point 8 from OPs discription 😑

[Zulizia]

and ofc Japanese ASM that can lock Ground targets doesn’t get added, peak Gaijin