The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

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8768

Even the wt wikki has absolutely zero information on the 30mm cannon for the kikka other

Tan “A fighter variant for intercepting B-29s with improved Ne-20 Kai engines and two Type 5 30 mm cannons was under development during 1945, but the war ended before there was a prospect of completing it.”

However a quick google search shows the type 5 30mms were never intended for mounting in an aircraft and were naval mounted autocanmons

8769

you cant use wt wiki they dont ever have anything useful lots

8770

No, i stated above what it is

8771

Seems like they were naval auto cannons. Kikka has hard proof that it flies right?

8772

i gaved

8773

yes fly only once tho
naval auto cannon no, 30×122 mm is specifically design for aircraft
theres a reason why it doesnt have lots of ammo, since its also belt fed

8774

I spent over 100 hours reviewing kikka mate believe me it misses the criteria to exist in game

8775

Then it should be alright, some other prototype do have guns when they never mounted IRL (but were meant for them)

8776

The kikka flies as testef with the 500kg weight to simulate a bomv for ant8 ship purposes

8777

да

8778

then you dont have as much free time as me. mate

8779

Hardly it was never tested with the cannons.

Ir was flown as an interceptor of bombers

8780

I mean was years ago, nothing has changed, now were off topic

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8781

i mean im doing a suggestion on the cf-105 rn, and it was intended to have 30mm ADEN cannon, but never fitted because it wasnt finished
and they prioritize A2A over guns anyways since guns=obsolete at that time(they were wrong)

8782

the cannon was presumably tested, has ammo that is made, although i cant rlly find any documentation for it
the guns, ammo, real, shooting them? hard to find

8783

eh maybe, maybe not, maybe you didnt look hard enough
but anyways 8.8k post, 0 proof of it exist, only newer brochures and mockups

8784

It’s J2M5 gun.

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8785

Key word is presumably

It means we dont have factual data for it

Oh i looked mate believe me, i was actuslly on the other side of the argument many moons ago justify why it should be in game.

8786

the J2M5 Model 33, was developed with two 30 mm Type 5 cannons. This 30 mm version was designed to be a more powerful offensive weapon, but it never entered mass production due to war-related shortages.

Thats the wt wikki, ive yet to find a document stating they actively flew them outwith one trialed plane with next to no documents on

8787

i will stand my ground

im lazy rn, so heres chat gpt respond

  1. U.S. Naval Technical Mission to Japan Reports (1946)
  • After Japan’s surrender, Allied technical teams examined captured weapons.
  • These reports often give approximate muzzle velocities, including ~770 m/s for the Type 5 cannon based on test samples and engineering analysis.
  1. Postwar Ballistics Reconstructions
  • René Francillon’s Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War and other technical historians like William Green and Shorzoe Abe list muzzle velocities in the 750–780 m/s range.
  • The cartridge case (30×122 mm) is longer and more powerful than that of the German MK 108 (which had only ~540 m/s), so a higher muzzle velocity is plausible.
  1. Design Intent
  • Japan designed the Type 5 cannon to intercept heavy bombers like the B-29, which required high muzzle velocity for better accuracy and penetration.