The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[Morvran]

@Whisloy

Now you skipping flight performance.

So the A-10C has a superior or equal flight performance to the Tornado F3 Late?

@Whisloy

Not all of them AIM-9L still can hit it.

No?

Not a single IR missile can be used against the IRCM unless at extremely close range and you get lucky. Heck not even Aim-9M works against IRCM. (i know i’ve tried)

@Whisloy

No you keep skipping some stuff.

Such as?

You have yet to justify why the Su-39 is 11.3 and the Harrier T-10 is 11.7 and the A-10C is 12.0 given the fact that the Su-39 has 16x AGMs

especially when the argument for the Typhoon being 13.0 AND being denied Brimstone 2 is because it can provide sustained CAS and would be too OP despite not having FnF. It is also inferior to the Rafale at the moment, especially in a CQB environmnet

[HondaCivici]

@Whisloy

4 IRCCM smokeless missiles with HMD can be big leverage in GRB and 4 IR Fire-and-Forget missiles on subsonic platform with targeting pod

Except for the fact that it isn’t… the Mavericks absolutely suck on the A-10 due to it’s low initial speed. Even the glide bombs suck because of how slow they travel. The B+ and the F111-F are better because they can use mavericks to some effect.

So no, the only plus you have is the 4 9ms, hmd, and a maw. If you want to take out planes, then use the F-15A or B+. Both are better because aim9ms paired with a high initial speed makes them deadly.

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It should be 11.3 or whatever BR the Su39 is. Hell, even Hunter thought the BRs were accidentally swapped when it was introduced in the live server (GRB: 12.0 | ARB: 11.3)

[Whisloy]

@HondaCivici

So no, the only plus you have is the 4 9ms, hmd, and a maw. If you want to take out planes, then use the F-15A or B+. Both are better because aim9ms paired with a high initial speed makes them deadly.

In the context when we are comparing Su-25T and A-10C 4 9Ms and HMD can give leverage.

@Morvran

Su-39 has 16x AGMs

20 AGMs in total.
You can take test flight with 16 vikhrs and see how “convenient” they are to use brimestone maybe lack speed and prox fuse but definitely wins in damage and launch angle.
Also skipping that Su-25T doesn’t have IR targeting pod

[Morvran]

@Whisloy

20 AGMs in total.
You can take test flight with 16 vikhrs and see how “convenient” they are to use brimestone maybe lack speed and prox fuse but definitely wins in damage and launch angle.

20 vs 4 or 6?

Yep, definetly seems balanced

@Whisloy

definitely wins in damage and launch angle.

And? I’ve had targets tank 3x Brimstones before. They are a fraction of the damage of a Kh-38MT.

@Whisloy

Also skipping that Su-25T doesn’t have IR targeting pod

Nor does the A-10C if its runs 6x AGM-65.

[HondaCivici]

@Whisloy

context when we are comparing Su-25T and A-10C 4 9Ms and HMD can give leverage.

It does but with what I mentioned, does that warrant a +.7 BR raise?

[Whisloy]

@Morvran

And? I’ve had targets tank 3x Brimstones before. They are a fraction of the damage of a Kh-38MT.

Vikhr are worse in question of damage.

@HondaCivici

It does but with what I mentioned, does that warrant a +.7 BR raise?

Well if A-10C will be moved to 11.3 in GRB it will leave a question what to do with Su-25T(39)

[Morvran]

@Whisloy

Vikhr are worse in question of damage.

And?

Brimstone is worse than a Kh-38MT by a LOT and yet considered equal for some reason.

And I get one shotted by Vikhrs all the time.

@Whisloy

Well if A-10C will be moved to 11.3 in GRB it will leave a question what to do with Su-25T(39)

Leave it at 11.3 or move it up.

A-10C is inferior to Su-39 in terms of CAS.

Why must Soviets be stronger?

[Whisloy]

@Morvran

Brimstone is worse than a Kh-38MT by a LOT and yet considered equal for some reason.

They are not consideret equal Typhoon is superior platform in comparison to Su-30SM you keep taking one aspect and ignore others

[Morvran]

@Whisloy

They are not consideret equal Typhoon is superior platform in comparison to Su-30SM you keep taking one aspect and ignore others

Then Rafale. Rafale is vastly superior to the Typhoon in A2A and has 6x AASM. Which are just slightly inferior to the Kh-38MT

Though Su-30 holds many advantages over the Typhoon at the moment, like superior AAMs and Radar.

But Typhoon should still get FnF AGMs or SAL-Brimstones 2s if Su-30 is allowed to keep a fake weapon

[HondaCivici]

@Whisloy

Well if A-10C will be moved to 11.3 in GRB it will leave a question what to do with Su-25T(39)

The Su-39 is a better choice when it comes to CAS and the A-10C is better in CAP. But the Su-39 can deal with other aircraft if need be. Both can be seen as equals with what they bring to the table.

The Su25T is worse than the 39 because it only has the kh29T, not the kh29TE (which have a greater range). I can maybe see it at 11.0 but it’s still a stretch because the kh29T is still usable.

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@Whisloy

Typhoon is superior platform

This isn’t directed towards you but the “superior platform” is a weak argument to allow for OP broken systems (A2A, A2G) to be in the game.

Yes, the Eurofighter is a superior platform but how much does that matter in GRB? Dogfights rarely happen. It’s usually whoever catches who off guard that wins. It’s not like the Su30 is incapable of defending itself.

Weak platform usually works when it’s not in top tier. The reason is because the BR can be raised where it faces tougher opponents. But if it’s already in top tier, other than changing the weapon systems itself, what can a BR raise accomplish when it’s already in top tier?

[Whisloy]

@Morvran

Then Rafale. Rafale is vastly superior to the Typhoon in A2A and has 6x AASM. Which are just slightly inferior to the Kh-38MT

AASM250 is a bomb with rocket engine it’s drasticly slower, has less explosives and could be heavily nerfed.

@HondaCivici

kh29T, not the kh29TE (which have a greater range).

Only if you locking the ground both of them have same seeker and it should be somewhere between 8-6 km when locking tank in good weather.

@HondaCivici

It’s not like the Su30 is incapable of defending itself.

@HondaCivici

Weak platform usually works when it’s not in top tier. The reason is because the BR can be raised where it faces tougher opponents. But if it’s already in top tier, other than changing the weapon systems itself, what can a BR raise accomplish when it’s already in top tier?

I think it’s about dodging the AA missiles Su-30SM has difficulties with that due to weak engine and speed loss which could be less problem in other platforms.

[Morvran]

@Whisloy

AASM250 is a bomb with rocket engine it’s drasticly slower, has less explosives and could be heavily nerfed.

It is still 30km+ range, can track a moving target and has IOG.

vs the 10-15km range SAL only Brimstone 1 that quite often takes 2 hits to kill.

Rafale also has the superior airframe, radar and AAMs.

[MrBombastic8]

i had enough vro

[Whisloy]

@Morvran

It is still 30km+ range, can track a moving target and has IOG

Lock target is 20km in perfect conditions and it will take few minutes to get there from max distance it is a slow thing slower than maverick it’s basically bomb with IR seeker

[Morvran]

What?

The hoops you are jumping through to keep the typhoon artificially nerfed is incredible.

Its weaker than the Su30 so Su30 needs a paper weapon

Rafale is vastly superior with the second best AGMs in the game but because they are slow, for some reason that means brimstone 1s are fine?

What next? Typhoon needs to be 13.3 because it doesn’t have an E-scans radar?

[Whisloy]

@Morvran

Rafale is vastly superior with the second best AGMs

It’s not second best it bearly could be consider it as AGM with engine that can’t even lift it from ground.

@Morvran

Its weaker than the Su30

Like how ? Su-30SM can contend only because it have superior weapon and radar in all other aspects Su is inferior in terms of speed gain it worse 2 times

[七-十三]

For me it’s the fact that the brochure itself uses rather blurry and faraway photo. Surely if they are really the manufacturer, they can get a closeup shot that doesn’t show the goddamn skies or SU-34 canard.

[Morvran]

@Whisloy

It’s not second best it bearly could be consideret as AGM with engine that can’t even lift it from ground.

Hahahaha

French main found.

It’s the second best AGM in the game period.

It has longer range than AGM-65 and IOG.

If it’s “only a bomb with a rocket booster”, then remove IR guidance and limit it only to GPS.

@Whisloy

Like how ? Su-30SM can contend only because it have superior weapon and radar in all other aspects Su is inferior in terms of speed gain it worse 2 times

I meant the Su30 was weaker than the typhoon if you ignore the radar, AAMs and AGMs. I got my wording wrong. Still funny watching soviet mains justify a paper weapon though and deny the same for everyone else

[GNDM_Panzer]

@Morvran

competent military any way.

And we all know which of the prior mentioned owners of the mentioned craft are competent military-wise.

Here’s a hint; Ain’t no Frogfoot winning any competency tests.

[GNDM_Panzer]

And from what I’ve seen, there’s still nothing that substantiates the existence of the Kh-38MT. A whole lotta word salad from brochures and spotty pictures doesn’t quantify as evidence.

Especially when you take into account the complete lack of presence at expos and airshows.

It.
Just.
Doesn’t.
Exist.

Cute flag abuse, btw.