The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[ron_23]

[H_ngma]

same as 7000 messages before. No real evidence, lots of grasping at straws

[sudo_su1]

@_Fantom2451_

70km range is for newer GPS variant, 40km for older IOG only variant.

Your claim that the “40km range is for older IOG-only variant and the addition of GNSS in the new variants enabled the 70km range” is false

And you posted the proof of it being false yourself …

@_Fantom2451_

Spoiler

If the 40km range is due to “lack of GNSS in the older variants”, then why the GNSS guided MKE variant is also limited to 40km?

So:

@sudo_su1

It’s possible that the 70km range could be with lighter than 250kg warheads, as some sources state “Up to 250kg” for the warhead.

@sudo_su1

But it’s also possible that the earlier 40km range figure was understated due to the actual range being classified. (Not unusual for missiles)

[ItsGaryy]

More photos of the MLE on display, but no MT/MTE.

I’ve looked everywhere for a better photo of the display show casing the signs, but could not find one.

Best thing I could find was this, but even then its hard to read.

Aero India 2025: India’s Ultimate Airshow | ✈️🔥 | Nomadicsapiens

[sudo_su1]

@ItsGaryy

More photos of the MLE on display, but no MT/MTE.

They are show casing Su-57 weapons

The only thing this proves is that the Su-57 is not compatible with it …
Which for example could be due to lack of necessary cooling equipment …

[Zannafrancy12]

su57 still has wing pylons doesnt it? offtopic su30 with brahmos looks sick

[ron_23]

@Zannafrancy12

offtopic su30 with brahmos looks sick

yeah i want to know what went through their haeads when they tried to mount that thing to a jet

[Smugspite]

I do wonder if gaijin will ever add the indian Su30MKI

[ron_23]

@Zannafrancy12

su57 still has wing pylons doesnt it

it does and was already seen with the KH-31 mounted to it

and it is apperently able to also mount the r-73 on it

[ron_23]

not anytime sonn, i would guess that if they add it, it will be a premium for like 100$

[Zannafrancy12]

i want it but im not exactly exited for it to go to uk or russia. feels a bit weird

[Smugspite]

it would be the UK as its a sub tree (as much as it urks me)

[Zannafrancy12]

true but idk, they’ll probably make it a premium or event(hope not cause im tired of unique missiles being stuck on event vehicles)

[MythicPi]

The new evidence of the brochure from the Zhuhai airshow in 2024 is honestly a very solid point in favor of at least it existing in an operational way unfortunately.

I never proved the missile did not exist. The evidence against its existence up until the Zhuhai brochure was posted was pretty strong imo, but if the Zhuhai brochure is real, think the missile is atleast to the point of being a prototype weapon.

That being said, I do have some doubts about the Zhuhai brochure.

1. Its super weird its in english. Theres not really any reasons for it to be I’d think, seeing as its a chinese airshow, and its a russian weapon not being marketted to english speaking nations.
2. The image of the missile mounted on the jet is kinda weird.
3. Not sure what JSC “TMC” is, afaik the manufacturer is supposed to be KTRV

There are also some other oddities;

1. If there really are pictures of the Kh-38MT as seen on the brochure, why have they never been used before
2. Why remove the Kh-38MTE from the most up to date version of the ROE website if the missile is still being advertised
3. Is the brochure really from Zhuhai 2024 (theres no supporting evidence of this)

That being said, I cant really conclusively disprove the brochure, there’s just stuff that bug me about it, so as of now, I sit on the fence. I’ve updated the threads original post to reflect the new info.

[Zannafrancy12]

@MythicPi

The new evidence of the brochure from the Zhuhai airshow in 2024 is honestly a very solid point in favor of at least it existing in an operational way unfortunately.

i dont see how you can say that

[ron_23]

@MythicPi

Its super weird its in english. Theres not really any reasons for it to be I’d think, seeing as its a chinese airshow, and its a russian weapon not being marketted to english speaking nations.

it is still an international airshow as far as i know

@MythicPi

The image of the missile mounted on the jet is kinda weird.

Gunjob explained that, it has to do with it being scanned using Adobe Scan

@Gunjob

Images from the brochure look like there were taken with Adobe Scan, which is why it has the brightening effect on the white areas.

No brightening effect;

Spoiler

Brightening;

Spoiler

So the document won’t be an original photo, and that’s not a great tact to take.

@Gunjob

Yeah I wouldn’t pursue the image being faked, as the photos aren’t original as the brightening effect alters them but makes the text much more readable and fixes issues with lighting/reflectivity of the pages.

With all the evidence presented I’m confident in the weapon existing in some form now, and at the very least there is now enough evidence for it to be in game.

@MythicPi

Not sure what JSC “TMC”

idc about that either

[Smugspite]

there is still at least chance for nerfs such as there is no way its 25x and 3rd gen thermals

[Zannafrancy12]

are we really acting like a SINGLE picture on a brochure that we dont even have our hands on is enough evidence right now?

[ron_23]

no it is the Brochure itself
the origanl argument was that the 38mt was canceld because it wasnt seen in brochures for atleast 5 years

@MythicPi

I dont think it has even gotten beyond the drawing board and made it to the testing stage, since if it had, they would presumably present a modernized mockup of the missile or the manufacturer would at the very least have an actual picture of the thing instead of needing to use artist renditions of the supposed missile for brochures.

… well and also the fact that they didnt use a render

[sudo_su1]

@MythicPi

Not sure what JSC “TMC” is, afaik the manufacturer is supposed to be KTRV

TMC is the English acronym and KTRV is the Russian acronym

JSC TMC = Joint Stock Company Tactical Missiles Corporation
KTRV = КТРВ (In Cyrillic) = Корпорация Тактическое Ракетное Вооружение