The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[ItsGaryy]

You don’t have a source to the cost. You’re making the assumption on cost.

Did you also consider the following that Russia is under heavy sanctions, is currently still facing a massive chip shortage, which was so bad that they had to attempt to source chips from Texas Instruments?

It’s not as simple as it costs a couple dollars. Commercial cost vs Military Commercial cost is completely different.

If it was so cheap, they wouldn’t have had to list TWO different versions of guidance. Why bother listing a non sat version is the SAT version is so cheap that it wouldn’t make a difference in cost? Because its not cheap.

[ron_23]

planes can be at alot higher altitudes than helicopters so it would make sense to angle the seeker down

btw we moved past the “is it real” disscussion

@Gunjob

Yeah I wouldn’t pursue the image being faked, as the photos aren’t original as the brightening effect alters them but makes the text much more readable and fixes issues with lighting/reflectivity of the pages.

With all the evidence presented I’m confident in the weapon existing in some form now, and at the very least there is now enough evidence for it to be in game.

[sudo_su1]

@ron_2303

dont you need some sort of gnss as well for IOG / LOAL

You don’t strictly need it, but it doesn’t make sense to omit something that costs peanuts

And from the Kh-38MLE video, the “inertial satellite navigation system” is part of the base module.

So it doesn’t make sense to spend money on redesigning the base module and maintaining two production lines to save a few dollars in components for other variants …

[_Fantom2451]

You are showing newer short wing 70km range variant vs long wing old GNSSless 40km variant. As well you show only INS module which is in every Kh-38M, not GNSS

[sudo_su1]

@ItsGaryy

If it was so cheap, they wouldn’t have had to list TWO different versions of guidance. Why bother listing a non sat version is the SAT version is so cheap that it wouldn’t make a difference in cost? Because its not cheap.

Where do you see them listing a GNSS version along with a non-GNSS version?

[ron_23]

why is there any point in disscussing the older variant?

[_Fantom2451]

There are old brochures and new brochures man. It’s just that simple

[sudo_su1]

@_Fantom2451

As well you show only INS module which is in every Kh-38M, not GNSS

See the subtitles.

“Compartment with an inertial satellite control system”

Which just makes sense
You want to supplement the INS with GNSS to correct for its drift
And it makes sense to put the GNSS module in the same compartment …

[ItsGaryy]

…

Did you even read your own source on your bug report?

https://roe.ru/production/aviatsionnaya-tekhnika-i-vooruzhenie-vozdushno-kosmicheskikh-sil/aviatsionnye-sredstva-porazheniya/upravlyaemye-sredstva-porazheniya/aviatsionnye-upravlyaemye-rakety-obshchego-naznacheniya-klassa-vozdukh-poverkhnost/kh-38mle/?theme=theme-lightblue

[ron_23]

That isn’t his source

[sudo_su1]

@ItsGaryy

Did you even read your own source on your bug report?

It doesn’t mean there are two variants
It only means it doesn’t strictly need the GNSS guidance (I.e. in a GNSS-denied or spoofed environment it can still work by disabling the GNSS guidance)

GNSS is provided by the “base module”

[_Fantom2451]

That’s just mental gymnastics

[_Ladies_Man_217]

How are people still arguing this matter, it’s been already proved that the missile doesn’t exist at all by @MythicPi

[_Fantom2451]

@sudo_su1

It’s explicitly mentioned for the MK because for this variant it’s the main guidance method

For old at least Kh-38MK satellite module is part of seeker

[sudo_su1]

@_Fantom2451

That’s just mental gymnastics

More like experience

Just look at my screenshot

What do you see in the subtitle/voice over?

“Compartment with an inertial satellite control system”

Now what do you see in the graphics?

“INS + Equipment compartment”

Where’s the mention of GNSS?

Why the subtitle/voice over says “Inertial + Satellite” but the graphic only shows “INS” with no mention of GNSS?

Because as I explained in my report, that’s what they mean by “INS” here.
They just make no mention of it because it’s not very necessary to mention it …

[LegitRussianBias]

???

@ron_2303

Yeah I wouldn’t pursue the image being faked, as the photos aren’t original as the brightening effect alters them but makes the text much more readable and fixes issues with lighting/reflectivity of the pages.

With all the evidence presented I’m confident in the weapon existing in some form now, and at the very least there is now enough evidence for it to be in game.

[ron_23]

So you don’t trust Gunjob
Edit nvm I didn’t see you replied to another guy

It would be better tho if you quote the initial post from gunjob

[_Fantom2451]

Read what I sent above, new Kh-38 yes, ok, probably has GNSS in main part, for old Kh-38, GNSS was part of Kh-38MK seeker

[ron_23]

Do we have the old one in game or the new one?
Because if the answer is the new one, you are making a pointless argument

[_Fantom2451]

By performance it’s old, by visual model ML seems to be old, MT to be new. @sudo_su1 is arguing about all of that cos he thinks 70km range missile has less warhead tho both brochures for 40km and 70km say “up to 250kg” (which is standard phrase for all missiles since there can be slight disperency due to normal manufacturing inaccuracies).