The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[MotorolaCRO]

@An_Pigeon

Not really! I’ll say again on the comment that was removed, they could easily stop this , state it’s went to far and rectify it, they don’t have to actively do that much.

You’ll still have people complaining why the fake addition streak had to finish with vehicle Z, and why it didn’t finish with the vehicle Y they proposed a while back. You can’t really make everyone happy as you’ll never be able to erase what has been happening.

@An_Pigeon

Remove/Add ammunitions that weren’t or were used by vehicles and then reduce or increase BR to compensate.

That might cause more harm than good in the long run because of balancing issues, be it something being too good or bad. This is further problematic since Gaijin refuses to give us more BRs.

@An_Pigeon

Realistically it should have it

If 2A4 could have fired DM23 I’m fine with it being the top round as long as the vehicle itself feels good to play at it’s BR.

@An_Pigeon

Gotta say, I’d rather we stopped before getting slammed with rafales, F15s, EF2000s etc and went back to the absolute plethora of coldwar gear thats missing.

Seems like Gaijin is fine with a degree of fiction being present in the game as long as it makes them some cash and honestly, from a business perspective, I can’t blame them.
From a purely player perspective, they could’ve done much more with the game, but well…

@An_Pigeon

think the biggest issue here now is the complete silence on their part TBH; whatever they say though is gonna get a blowback from one group or another.

This is probably why they keep silent as getting people riled up even more isn’t something they want to do.

@An_Pigeon

As you well know, i personally believe all these platforms at top tier are just too much for GRB, rafale, su30,F15, etc etc, hell even F16C was absolutely stompin before they added these even more modern platforms.

Those things should never been allowed to spawn in GRB in it’s current state.

@An_Pigeon

Could slap 6 x brims on it with FnF and that would be enough to give it at least some standoff compared to the F15E and Rafale.

6x FnFs + 12x Laser ones is really strong loadout on an already strong aircraft A2A wise.

@An_Pigeon

They weren’t added solely for KH38MTs but? where did anyone state that?

The su30 was added as its an iconic AF platform from the russians, same as the F15’s were added.

SM3 without those is just an 25T.
SU-34 would be a pretty poor CAP that has access to TV guided missile.

30SM could definitely go through as a good addition due to improved ARHs it can carry, thus I never really expected it to keep good AGMs.

[An_Pigeon]

@MotorolaCRO

You’ll still have people complaining why the fake addition streak had to finish with vehicle Z, and why it didn’t finish with the vehicle Y they proposed a while back. You can’t really make everyone happy as you’ll never be able to erase what has been happening.

Yeah I did say that in another comment I think as well, always gonna be one group upset.

@MotorolaCRO

That might cause more harm than good in the long run because of balancing issues, be it something being too good or bad. This is further problematic since Gaijin refuses to give us more BRs.

An Pigeon:

True, or it may actually fix a lot of issues, one of those Schrödinger ones isn’t it, you don’t really know until the box is open.

@MotorolaCRO

If 2A4 could have fired DM23 I’m fine with it being the top round as long as the vehicle itself feels good to play at it’s BR.

I take the 2a4 to 12.0 and its still capable with the DM23 round, so with Dm33 it easily could match up against the likes of 11.0s the mobility, optics and armour make it a right nice tank to use, its also not overtly large like the 2a5 and onwards get massive especially side on.

@MotorolaCRO

Seems like Gaijin is fine with a degree of fiction being present in the game as long as it makes them some cash and honestly, from a business perspective, I can’t blame them.
From a purely player perspective, they could’ve done much more with the game, but well…

I mean if we went full realism most jets would be bricks compared to how they are ingame, all the air frames can pull what is it 1.5Gs x compared to IRl, so rather than stuck at 9G it can pull 12G .
I mean look how the community freaked when F16 was limited to 9G pulls…

@MotorolaCRO

From a purely player perspective, they could’ve done much more with the game, but well…

An Pigeon:

Yeah agreed man, could be a lot of new game modes, or at least trialed modes, different vehicles etc, its taken that long to even get a SEAD mode.

@MotorolaCRO

This is probably why they keep silent as getting people riled up even more isn’t something they want to do.

An Pigeon:

Catch 22 again, stay silent and folks get irritable theres no response, give a response and folks get irritable cause its not what they want to hear.

@MotorolaCRO

Those things should never been allowed to spawn in GRB in it’s current state.

An Pigeon:

Definitely not man, folks just want more and more modern nonense forgetting were still battling on tank maps that are like 10km squared too small.

@MotorolaCRO

6x FnFs + 12x Laser ones is really strong loadout on an already strong aircraft A2A wise.

An Pigeon:

No no, you don’t get both, If you take the 6 x FnF you are limited to that and say 2 GBUs or A2A ordenance, not slinging about 18 missiles over all cause the first 6 can devesate spaa then the 12 Lsaer guided would pick apart ground.

@MotorolaCRO

SM3 without those is just an 25T.

Does it not get the laser guided KH38s as well ?

@MotorolaCRO

SU-34 would be a pretty poor CAP that has access to TV guided missile.

Kh29Ts on a fast platform wouldn’t be too bad, like it wouldn’t crumple as much as now but 6 x KH29Ts still would do alright.

@MotorolaCRO

30SM could definitely go through as a good addition due to improved ARHs it can carry, thus I never really expected it to keep good AGMs.

Generally Never knew it could carry as many as it can, thought it would be more a mig29 deal with it, 2 x AGM then the rest A2A.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Smugspite

it would only be able to be taken on the AIM-9 rails so it would be at max 6 maybe 8

Don’t know about that so I can’t really comment on those 6/8.

@Smugspite

The Harrier on the other hand could get 12-14 of them cant remember lol

12-14 AGMs that are better than 38MTs would be sketchy considering how much hate SM3 received by only carrying 4, while being the worse platform.

[MotorolaCRO]

@An_Pigeon

I mean if we went full realism most jets would be bricks compared to how they are ingame, all the air frames can pull what is it 1.5Gs x compared to IRl, so rather than stuck at 9G it can pull 12G .

True, seeing UFOs we have in the game pulling like 15Gs is a bit funny.
It’s obviously up to Gaijin’s discretion to do things like that and players don’t have much to say about it.

@An_Pigeon

Definitely not man, folks just want more and more modern nonense forgetting were still battling on tank maps that are like 10km squared too small.

The constant race to pump out more modern stuff has led us to this cesspool we have today.

@An_Pigeon

No no, you don’t get both, If you take the 6 x FnF you are limited to that and say 2 GBUs or A2A

This would be an issue with some people as it’s known that EFT can carry 18x Brimstones.

I’m glad I don’t have to do decisions like that, as it’s obvious whatever you do will get some parts of the mob angry and winning is impossible.

@An_Pigeon

Does it not get the laser guided KH38s as well ?

Was talking about 38 family as a whole. Giving such a shit platform only 4 laser guided missiles isn’t something I’d do.

@An_Pigeon

Kh29Ts on a fast platform wouldn’t be too bad, like it wouldn’t crumple as much as now but 6 x KH29Ts still would do alright.

They are still TV missiles with 6km target lock range, forcing the plane to linger about for longer, which isn’t something brick like that wants to do.

[An_Pigeon]

@MotorolaCRO

The constant race to pump out more modern stuff has led us to this cesspool we have today.

An Pigeon:

stuff that came out like a year ago is now left in the past, while stuff like AA20 nords and older gear are left butchered xd

@MotorolaCRO

This would be an issue with some people as it’s known that EFT can carry 18x Brimstones.

I’m glad I don’t have to do decisions like that, as it’s obvious whatever you do will get some parts of the mob angry and winning is impossible.

Yeah well the same people are bitching about no FnF, cant have both now that is just silly.

@MotorolaCRO

Was talking about 38 family as a whole. Giving such a shit platform only 4 laser guided missiles isn’t something I’d do.

An Pigeon:

The Su34 could make do with them though to be fair, or su30, as well as that the KH29Ts are good enough in all fairness too in combination with 38MLs

@MotorolaCRO

They are still TV missiles with 6km target lock range, forcing the plane to linger about for longer, which isn’t something brick like that wants to do.

They can be fired well over 6km but, you can fire them at static targets easily enough, I do use them on the su25BM or whatever the prem is and do quite well

[MotorolaCRO]

@An_Pigeon

Yeah well the same people are bitching about no FnF, cant have both now that is just silly.

It’s impossible to make all happy.

@An_Pigeon

The Su34 could make do with them though to be fair, or su30, as well as that the KH29Ts are good enough in all fairness too in combination with 38MLs

30SM could live with those, no problem with that.
On SU-34 I’m not really for that happening as already explained. It’s like going from a high refresh rate monitor back to 60Hz one.

Absolutely gutting moment.

@An_Pigeon

They can be fired well over 6km but, you can fire them at static targets easily enough, I do use them on the su25BM or whatever the prem is and do quite well

They can but firing with point lock instead of track lock is always risky, especially if you have like four missiles in total.

There’s plenty of planes at 11.3 - 11.7, I don’t think we need another one to join the gang.

[RoyallCSGO]

@An_Pigeon

KH38’s aren’t dominating entire lobbies like folks want you to think, I’ve played nearly exclusively top tier the past week and a half and seen F15’s or Rafales rinse lobbies more then Su30’s or Su34s.

Your past week and a half of games.

Data is from 22 Replays

Vehicle	Ground Kills	Deaths
Su-30SM	21	5
MQ-1	6	9
◄EF-2000	7	7
F-20A	5	6
Su-34	9	2
Su-39	7	3
F-15E	3	5
Su-24M	6	2
F-2000A	7	1
Rafale C	4	2
F-16C	2	2
F/A-18C Early	3	1
◄Tornado IDS	2	2
MiG-29SMT	3	1
Su-25T	2	2
▄F-5T	3	1
◔JAS39C	4	0
␗F-16A	3	1
JAS39C	2	2
AV-8B	2	1
Su-25	2	1
MiG-27M	2	1
▄F-5E	3	0
F-14B	2	0

[ShOt_MaCkEr]

@RoyallCSGO

Your past week and a half of games.

Brother brought nuclear bomb to a toothpick fight.

Happy 7k posts everyone. How’s it going? Any developments? This scrap is still as fake as it was before?

[SwingfireOP]

‘Fraid so.

Still zero evidence it has ever existed, and zero response from gaijin.

[An_Pigeon]

@RoyallCSGO

Your past week and a half of games. Data is from 22 Replays

You got proof of that ? Being my replays.
That it is GRB exclusively ?

Also i died more to ef2000s than su30s.

[RoyallCSGO]

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[洛天依66ccff]

kh-38MTE via weibo（微博）@DPRK425 This image is from the Russian military export advertising brochure obtained by the blogger at the Zhuhai Airshow.

[MrBombastic8]

bro got caught in 4K

[pooqich]

almost missed the milestone that is 7000 posts in this topic

i guess we dont really have anything new? apart from that brochure from above

[MrBombastic8]

what would this mean then
@MythicPi

[MrBombastic8]

hmm i mean it is installed on an aircraft
but
idk if its mockups or actual missiles
i mean MTE is export model after all

[MotorolaCRO]

@MrBombastic8

i mean MTE is export model after all

What’s the issue with that ?

[MrBombastic8]

because its a brochure and on the picture of the aircraft i see what looks like rope that is tied onto the hardpoint rail
so the authenticity is ? but then im not sure
and its still a brochure anyway
so thermal generation, zoom lenses, capability is still unknown

[An_Pigeon]

hardly, its not a very balanced metric to go by.

Having watched them all , theres a massive distinction.

@RoyallCSGO

Replay list

So in almost every single game theres a SU30 in it.

However, there is substantially less games with EF2000 or the other platforms within them.
To boot, these platforms did more in the games they were in.
Prime examples being EF2000, however as the 2 models in the F2000A and EF2000 scored 14 kills and each one only shows up once, the F2000 in one game and the Ef2000 if I recall correctly inanother couple.
EDIT: Meant to say the F2000A shows up once and the EF2000 twice, or three times.

in 2 games they score over half the kills of the su30 out of 22-

So yeah the su30 aint all that and it is not rinsing entire lobbies like folks claim

Statistically speaking, the su30 has scored almost a 1 kill per match, “if not a bit less” as its 21 kills.

However, this doesn’t change my opinion of hte KH38MT should still be removed.

EDIT: @RoyallCSGO Can you also, you know, not stalk my acc xD watching at least 22 of my replies is extremely strange and off putting.

[An_Pigeon]

Isn’t this technically evidence of it existing ?