It’s not irrelevant as that’s literally your argument.
City car with a 600HP engine installed is actually less of a Frankenstein vehicle than our Kikka.
Until evidence is found, Kikka will remain as a Frankenstein vehicle that goes hand in hand with 38MT.
Is 38M with an IR seeker a work of fiction ? Maybe.
Is Kikka with guns a work of fiction ? Maybe.
Did all four entities in the example above exist ? Yes.
Both things in their listed configuration aren’t proven to be real, so they belong in the same basket.
But that’s the premise of Kikka still being in the game, which opens the door for other similar abominations to get added.
I think we have a more interesting game if we don’t stick so narrowly to such a banal definition of realism.
It’s already causing problems where there are post-cold war technology gaps.
The only solution is to scour the Internet for proposals, napkins, designs etc and conform them to the mechanical and modelling realism of the game.
As it stands, Kh-38MT may be a good example because it is only referred to on paper and no genuine copy has been certified to exist. However, nobody informed would consider it impossible to exist.
I think that’s a much better standard than is the case for most equipment.
The issue is with the Kh38MT is if we can’t prove its real or not it really shouldn’t of been added to the game.
Genuinely something that buggers me off TBH, like the Shir 2 getting L23, a round that the tank never fired at all.
Or the F16AJ
Leopard 2a4’s not getting hteir historic DM33 (at the very least) capabilities. etc etc etc
the games mix and match response to “balance” is just stupid at this point, KH38’s aren’t dominating entire lobbies like folks want you to think, I’ve played nearly exclusively top tier the past week and a half and seen F15’s or Rafales rinse lobbies more then Su30’s or Su34s.
(caveat I actually have shot down more SU30s in my J8B than anyother plane so it just goes to show, the pilots aren’t very smart and its easily countered if someone spawns a plane)
I do believe KH38MT should be removed until we get some proof of existence, much like F16AJ should be long gone by now.
Fun fact, we don’t actively need these leopard duplicates at all.
Their excuse for putting a prem one in france was laughably weak and easily countered.
They didn’t need to put hungry in to Italy at all, could of put spain in there and it would of kept with Italies current tanks as is, not randomly soviet stuff jammed in there.
France could of gotten more of its own indigenious tanks, E.G stuff like amx30C, the countless light tanks and other forms of tanks its buggered around with.
Before just crammin a leopard 2a4,a5 and A6 in there.
Yeah that can of worms has been opened a while ago and closing it is problematic.
It would surely receive that if needed, but I think Gaijin is happy where 2A4s sit at the moment.
We can talk about shoulds and shouldn’ts, but at the end of the day it’s Gaijin that ultimately decided to add fakes and it’s their decision to keep or remove them.
We are already at the gates where Gaijin has to decide to either stop adding new things or to guesstimate values due to them being confidential. To some people, doing that to vehicles is already making them fake.
Not really! I’ll say again on the comment that was removed, they could easily stop this , state it’s went to far and rectify it, they don’t have to actively do that much.
Remove F16AJ.
Remove/Add ammunitions that weren’t or were used by vehicles and then reduce or increase BR to compensate.
Tehy just dont want to resolve the issue.
Look at the mig29 at 12.7, it shouldn’t have the R27ERs and should have R73s, yet it sits their with a random A historical loadout.
Realistically it should have it, especially now if theyre claiming theyre going to add a prototype leclerc to france, which will be sittin on its own at a random BR
Gotta say, I’d rather we stopped before getting slammed with rafales, F15s, EF2000s etc and went back to the absolute plethora of coldwar gear thats missing.
think the biggest issue here now is the complete silence on their part TBH; whatever they say though is gonna get a blowback from one group or another.
Like if they say tis fine in game to balance Su34 etc, there will be a load of people cry its in the game etc etc
if they say they’ll remove it then a bunch of folks will cry its bein gremoved then demand more be removed.
As you well know, i personally believe all these platforms at top tier are just too much for GRB, rafale, su30,F15, etc etc, hell even F16C was absolutely stompin before they added these even more modern platforms.
it would only be able to be taken on the AIM-9 rails so it would be at max 6 maybe 8 if gaijin is willing to give the triple mounts where the dual mounts go and would take up the slots of your IR AAM so you wouldnt get 18 of them
The Harrier on the other hand could get 12-14 of them cant remember lol
Difficult is different than impossible.
Flaring our current IRCCM missiles from certain angles is difficult but is much more doable than trying to do that to an IIR missile.
I was talking about it in a sense of ARB, but regardless of that it’s 9Ms aren’t a selling point neither in GRB nor ARB, and 15E hasn’t been added because of those for sure.
Meanwhile 38MT slingers, except 30SM, definitely have those AGMs as their focal point.
9M’s seeker can still get tricked consistently and people have been doing just that for months and months. I don’t know about you, but I’d definitely take an IIR version of AIM-9 with like M3.0 speed over 9M with M5.0 speed.
27ET can snipe people from 8-10-12km away without any warning which is something other IRs in the game like 9M can only dream of.
I already said that I don’t feel like those planes with only an Kh-59 would be sufficient for their BRs, nor it would be justified to remove what’s pretty much the whole reason they were added to the game.
Could slap 6 x brims on it with FnF and that would be enough to give it at least some standoff compared to the F15E and Rafale.
The only thing keeping the Ef2000 relevant at top tier GRB is the absolutely insane platform.
but rafale also cuts it close to the EF2000 so its not exactly fair that it gets 6 hammers, which i’ve seen folks state are over performing anyway!
Its just silly these platforms with weapon systems we barely understand, never mind are still mostly classified cruising about xD it should never have happened!
They weren’t added solely for KH38MTs but? where did anyone state that?
The su30 was added as its an iconic AF platform from the russians, same as the F15’s were added.
The issue is, why not drop them to the laser guided KH38MLs’ which we are certain did exist, comapred to the missiles htat cant even br proved to be real at all.
Its just so fking stupid at this pont
got brimstones sal only
got hammers doing mad shit
got unrpoven to exist Kh38s
fake F16s, countless jets in mid / low high tier that we are unsure if they even flew.
for what?
You’ll still have people complaining why the fake addition streak had to finish with vehicle Z, and why it didn’t finish with the vehicle Y they proposed a while back. You can’t really make everyone happy as you’ll never be able to erase what has been happening.
That might cause more harm than good in the long run because of balancing issues, be it something being too good or bad. This is further problematic since Gaijin refuses to give us more BRs.
If 2A4 could have fired DM23 I’m fine with it being the top round as long as the vehicle itself feels good to play at it’s BR.
Seems like Gaijin is fine with a degree of fiction being present in the game as long as it makes them some cash and honestly, from a business perspective, I can’t blame them.
From a purely player perspective, they could’ve done much more with the game, but well…
This is probably why they keep silent as getting people riled up even more isn’t something they want to do.
Those things should never been allowed to spawn in GRB in it’s current state.
6x FnFs + 12x Laser ones is really strong loadout on an already strong aircraft A2A wise.
SM3 without those is just an 25T.
SU-34 would be a pretty poor CAP that has access to TV guided missile.
30SM could definitely go through as a good addition due to improved ARHs it can carry, thus I never really expected it to keep good AGMs.
Yeah I did say that in another comment I think as well, always gonna be one group upset.
True, or it may actually fix a lot of issues, one of those Schrödinger ones isn’t it, you don’t really know until the box is open.
I take the 2a4 to 12.0 and its still capable with the DM23 round, so with Dm33 it easily could match up against the likes of 11.0s the mobility, optics and armour make it a right nice tank to use, its also not overtly large like the 2a5 and onwards get massive especially side on.
I mean if we went full realism most jets would be bricks compared to how they are ingame, all the air frames can pull what is it 1.5Gs x compared to IRl, so rather than stuck at 9G it can pull 12G .
I mean look how the community freaked when F16 was limited to 9G pulls…
Yeah agreed man, could be a lot of new game modes, or at least trialed modes, different vehicles etc, its taken that long to even get a SEAD mode.
Catch 22 again, stay silent and folks get irritable theres no response, give a response and folks get irritable cause its not what they want to hear.
Definitely not man, folks just want more and more modern nonense forgetting were still battling on tank maps that are like 10km squared too small.
No no, you don’t get both, If you take the 6 x FnF you are limited to that and say 2 GBUs or A2A ordenance, not slinging about 18 missiles over all cause the first 6 can devesate spaa then the 12 Lsaer guided would pick apart ground.
Does it not get the laser guided KH38s as well ?
Kh29Ts on a fast platform wouldn’t be too bad, like it wouldn’t crumple as much as now but 6 x KH29Ts still would do alright.
Generally Never knew it could carry as many as it can, thought it would be more a mig29 deal with it, 2 x AGM then the rest A2A.
True, seeing UFOs we have in the game pulling like 15Gs is a bit funny.
It’s obviously up to Gaijin’s discretion to do things like that and players don’t have much to say about it.
The constant race to pump out more modern stuff has led us to this cesspool we have today.
This would be an issue with some people as it’s known that EFT can carry 18x Brimstones.
I’m glad I don’t have to do decisions like that, as it’s obvious whatever you do will get some parts of the mob angry and winning is impossible.
Was talking about 38 family as a whole. Giving such a shit platform only 4 laser guided missiles isn’t something I’d do.
They are still TV missiles with 6km target lock range, forcing the plane to linger about for longer, which isn’t something brick like that wants to do.
stuff that came out like a year ago is now left in the past, while stuff like AA20 nords and older gear are left butchered xd
Yeah well the same people are bitching about no FnF, cant have both now that is just silly.
The Su34 could make do with them though to be fair, or su30, as well as that the KH29Ts are good enough in all fairness too in combination with 38MLs
They can be fired well over 6km but, you can fire them at static targets easily enough, I do use them on the su25BM or whatever the prem is and do quite well
30SM could live with those, no problem with that.
On SU-34 I’m not really for that happening as already explained. It’s like going from a high refresh rate monitor back to 60Hz one.
Absolutely gutting moment.
They can but firing with point lock instead of track lock is always risky, especially if you have like four missiles in total.
There’s plenty of planes at 11.3 - 11.7, I don’t think we need another one to join the gang.