The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

yeah except the part where you intercept them

but why pay an increased cost for the FnF extra brimstones when you could just take PW4s or SAL which with how the current SP system works wouldn’t increase the cost at all (its currently based off of the most expensive weapon on the plane not the over all cost)

yeah

5880 comments.

Jesus christ, and I’m sure this was a proper discussion with no biased arguments

At least Brims have heat warheads, which get no guaranteed kills. Unlike Kh-38MT, with its large yield HE warhead. They’re like a 500lb bomb with guaranteed kill radius and 100m splash damagte. Also Brims have no IOG, smoke and your’e fine.

At the end 18 Brims would never be as powerful as 6 KH-38MT, which are basically cruise missiles.

Because that’s the point of the mitigation. 6x Brimstone 2 with MMW would be better than 6x KH38MT.

Having even 9 would be OP.

6x MMW Brimstone 2s + 12x GPS-only spear3s would not be a loadout to scoff at.

yeah like 500 comments or so

maybe Russian main will know will it feel like when their SPAA can’t do anything about it.

they do

small range, slower, worse warhead, no IOG and a far lower track range the only benefit is it can see through smoke and trees thats it

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There is also a small advantage of existing for Brimstones, but thats no biggie

Brimstone 2 matches the range of the KH-38 and wouldn’t be all that much slower when fired in closer

The “see through smoke IoG” wouldn’t matter with MMW

Warhead shouldn’t matter if it hit right

only when the laser is turned off on launch if you turn the laser on at all the IOG stops, it also goes nowhere near where you were aiming

Not in an extent that it matters ingame. THey need precise hits on target to work and IOG is not precise enough. Unlike KH-38MT IOG, which still ensures the target gets taken out. Brim IOG won’t work, just check it out. Switch off the laser and see it fail.

Heh until you see GBU 53 on F-15E that thing can carry like twenty of them or more
but it still a bomb not AGM easy to intercept by Pantsir

this still doesn’t change the largest issue the brimstone would have that is its tiny lock range (around 5km from what I have heard so worse then TV guided weapons) so most shots will be point locks and with its abysmal speed you just have to hope you aimed well or the target didnt move

no matter how you frame it 6 MTs will always be more OP then 6 FnF brimstone 2s

That is something that will be hopefully fixed soon…

They use Hellfire logic, so if at any point you enable laser, the missile will disable IOG forever. If you fire with laser off and turn it on in terminal it works fine.

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the issue is IOG is helpful to maintain the lock if it is broken for a couple of seconds, on a missile where it just turns off the moment the laser is turned on makes it useless outside of trying to do one specific strategy

Place POI
Fire missiles
do something else, like hide behind terrain
Pop up a few s before they are to impact
turn on IOG
Congrats, you got kills before enemy SPAA can engage you.

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