I think it is limited to the 30km range, it’s just that the maverick’s point lock range is limited to 24km (as per the gamefiles and spreadsheet) and unlike target tracking ranges, this one does not seem to change (only due to weather I guess, but that’s just because weather is just clouds/fog blocking LOS I think).
I feel the point lock range serves as a hard cap on the tracking range as well.
KH-38MT has IOG and AASM have GNSS and so might be able to to target a fixed point using the map mark functionality and then be fired off. The question is whether they will start to track a target when in range or not.
I don’t currently have access to either but I think using the fire button will still bring up the seeker box instead, which will prevent you from firing beyond the point lock range.
The lock ranges shown on the spreadsheet are just the lock range for a standardized target, which leads to variance based on multiple ingame factors.
For example, the “standard” target used for AAM lock ranges is iirc a MiG-15 flying at M0.9.
I’m not sure what the “standard” target for air to surface munitions is, but factors like ambiant temp of the map, vehicle temps (has it been driving/shooting, has it been stationnary with its engine on, has it had its engine off for a bit, etc…), target size, background surface temp, etc… all matter.
Its fact a lot of ppl misunderstand when they read the spreadsheet.
Indeed. For IR missiles, not sure if for radar missiles too, we know at least that the MiG-15 (full throttle M0.8 at sealevel) is used as it once was mentioned by the missile dev himself.
TV lock ranges of the AGM-65A and B (and any who use the same values) were calibrated using an M60 (IIRC) to achieve ~3 and ~6km tracking range respectively (confirmed in a changelog when Mav lock ranges were nerfed). Thing is though the actual for instance 6km value of the 65A is arbitrary I guess and just roughly corresepond to double the M60 lock range. All the other factors you mention probably matter too, because the tracking ranges can vary a lot and it seems that there is indeed more at play than just apparent size. Would love for the missile dev to confirm all those mechanics though.
It’s max range max which actually determines the upper maximum lock range iirc, for example on the aim-9g:
“rangeBand0”: 5500.0,
“rangeBand2”: 8000.0,
“rangeBand3”: 8000.0,
“rangeBand7”: 1000.0,
“rangeMax”: 11000.0,
So a true maximum lock range of 11km, assuming conditions allow for it. It’s also why some missiles like the AAM-3 can get like 10km front aspect locks when the range bands say they should be limited to like 6. That being said, the range bands on AGMs is usually pretty close to their max range stat, ie the AGM-65G has a range band of 20km and a max of 24, so even if the variance allows for it it’s unlikely an AGM will significantly exceed it’s rangeband anyways, the exception being the KH-38MT due to it’s longer max range due to its ground lock range.
Its not, or atleast was not last I checked. I had submitted a bug report a few years back where, due to its absurdly high heat signature, the R-60MK was capable of locking an F-14A through over 30km of clouds in rear aspect, well beyond any of the ranges stated in its code. As stated, the range bands in the code are given for a preselected standardized target. Targets that deviate from this standard will cause the lock range to also vary. Maybe they changed how their code works since then, but I havent heard anything about that.
Also, this whole convo is just massively off topic at this point. Could y’all please take the respective debates to the correct threads and come back to discussing the Kh-38MT please?
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yes but do the videos shot it autonomously tracking with its onboard IIR system or is it being guided via data link from the helicopters tracking system as it is known to employ MITL guidance
I’ve seen the videos he’s referring to, they are definitely autonomously tracking the target after the gunner locks onto the IR signature of the vehicles.
Oh ok i thought laser are LOAL. Sry my bad
Not unless you tell it to to. Imagine thats a MG position and the heat source next to it is a car.
The car is no threat but the MG position is.
I want the missile to go impact where I have locked it.
They are. At least some of them, if they have IOG they can be launched outside of the seeker range, for example hellfire. If they lack IGO they are forced to be launched in LOBL, for example laser mavericks.
Maybe someone has already suggested that the Gaijins introduce the GBU-53/B StormBreaker? Or is it even worth suggesting?
This would be a great response to the introduction of the KH-38MT.
Info was provided for the GBU-39A, GBU-53 & AGM-187A alongside, the reports for the GBU-39/A.
It’s MMW like Brimstone should be so if anything it will be locked to SAL only if added at all. It’s also unpowered so it is even easier to intercept with guns than the Brimstone. I think the US has better options.
Also there’s likely some limitations to the IR seeker present or at least there may be a debate on it like there was for AASM-HAMMER.
The abomination known as the Kh-38MT is still in the game.
Absolute clownery.
Like? Remember you do get 2x / 4x per station, so they can be massed. Sure if you need something to die other PGMs, JSOW, CBU’s or HARMs are better but the magazine depth it offers is definitely a step up in terms of F&F performance
It practically does it all, short of Capital ships though it is worth noting that seeker doesn’t identify, only classify targets as specified. and that due to it’s use of a Ram Air Turbine, range is effectively solely a function of release conditions, though in exchange takes a drag penalty.
and that the Warhead looks fairly similar to the AGM-114R’s so the effective radius against heavy armor isn’t great.
Lets be honest, it’s not going anywhere until a proper replacement is introduced.
