we all seem to be talking about something else here and idk where that 13km number comes from but that just made up, ive had track locks way further then 13km.
Glop of nothingness being discussed like it’ll help either way.
Track locks further than 13km can happen but counting on that isn’t something you should do.
Considering you thought the thing from the clip was actually a tracking lock makes me wonder.
then you didnt saw the clip or youre lying. The missile indeed didnt have a track lock when i fired it, and i never claimed that, but got one during flight, thats why you can CLEARLY see the missile following the FlakRakRad, and didnt just go straight.
As I said earlier, if there’s a vehicle in it’s FoV at the moment it can establish a track lock, it will do so regardless if it was fired from 15, 20 or 30km away.
Firing outside of that constant ~13km track lock range is risky due to obvious reasons, as target can just move outside the missile’s FoV and it’s game over.
thank you for the obvious, nobody denied that.
Your friend did, multiple times. The entire point of this was to show a TRACK lock that matches the ranges he claimed them to be possible at.
So where’s the problem actually ?
Technically 20km isn’t even the maximum value. Similarly to tracking ranges of IR missiles (radar not sure, they may instead just be range gated) or laser acquisition ranges on SALH weapons, the value listed is some particular range for a particular scenario. Which means you can exceed the listed value as well.
Against ships for instance you can get way longer tracking ranges:
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What’s the point of all this conversation, generally speaking
Id guess the theoretical maximum is closely tied to the Tpod ranges, which was 20km and is now 30km.
But I do wonder if CCRP allows for targets to be engaged and eventually tracked at ranges even greater.
Honestly idk, I just occasionally read what’s new in here.
I thiiiink it had something do with the Kh-38MT IIR seeker at some point, about the tracking ranges of that thing in-game vs the kinematic range of the weapon, and how the seekrs are all the same copy paste anyway. Something like that. Otherwise all off-topic pretty much yeah.
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How does CCRP come into the equation if I may ask? TV/IIR all require a point lock at least to even be allowed off the rails, so that will the limiting factor for those weapons. And point lock seems to be roughly if not simply just limited to the max TGP range, so 30km now yea. At least I can’t seem to get a lock at all for 30km+
point lock is not purely restricted to TGP range, I was trying to test mav flight performance and was unable to get point lock until roughly 25km in pretty decent weather
I think it is limited to the 30km range, it’s just that the maverick’s point lock range is limited to 24km (as per the gamefiles and spreadsheet) and unlike target tracking ranges, this one does not seem to change (only due to weather I guess, but that’s just because weather is just clouds/fog blocking LOS I think).
I feel the point lock range serves as a hard cap on the tracking range as well.
KH-38MT has IOG and AASM have GNSS and so might be able to to target a fixed point using the map mark functionality and then be fired off. The question is whether they will start to track a target when in range or not.
I don’t currently have access to either but I think using the fire button will still bring up the seeker box instead, which will prevent you from firing beyond the point lock range.
The lock ranges shown on the spreadsheet are just the lock range for a standardized target, which leads to variance based on multiple ingame factors.
For example, the “standard” target used for AAM lock ranges is iirc a MiG-15 flying at M0.9.
I’m not sure what the “standard” target for air to surface munitions is, but factors like ambiant temp of the map, vehicle temps (has it been driving/shooting, has it been stationnary with its engine on, has it had its engine off for a bit, etc…), target size, background surface temp, etc… all matter.
Its fact a lot of ppl misunderstand when they read the spreadsheet.
Indeed. For IR missiles, not sure if for radar missiles too, we know at least that the MiG-15 (full throttle M0.8 at sealevel) is used as it once was mentioned by the missile dev himself.
TV lock ranges of the AGM-65A and B (and any who use the same values) were calibrated using an M60 (IIRC) to achieve ~3 and ~6km tracking range respectively (confirmed in a changelog when Mav lock ranges were nerfed). Thing is though the actual for instance 6km value of the 65A is arbitrary I guess and just roughly corresepond to double the M60 lock range. All the other factors you mention probably matter too, because the tracking ranges can vary a lot and it seems that there is indeed more at play than just apparent size. Would love for the missile dev to confirm all those mechanics though.