issue with this stuff its that they have very limited range so idk how it would be possible for this kind of stuff to lock beyond a certain point
i mean theres what the PIRATE IRST does. thats image recognition. but i doubt the 9X has a database of targets with whole entire 3d models of aircraft in its databanks
its not entirely off the rails, there is systems that based on the length width or height of the thermal signature + the type can filter out certain type of missiles or even targets
Video of Aim-9X test with images of what the seeker sees:
We are all getting of topic here though.
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That isn’t really that unthinkable though, something as small as an SD card that is publicly available to consumers can today hold terabytes of data without breaking a sweat.
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dam lol it rlly was a full silhouette…
Yes, my bad.
I’m really quite conflicted on the legitimacy of X-38MT. If I had to guess I’d err on the side of “made, but never left testing” like what appears to be the case with 3UBR11.
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its more the (data) transfer speed that is the factor imo
good luck with that minimum range
Not really :) they are used to film 8k video on a regular basis.
Here is the bus-speed and speed ratings chart for SD cards:
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UHS I are the absolute most common ones today but UHS-II are readily available, UHS-III are available but way more expensive. but if the EX exists for consumers we can only imagine what the military has access to x)
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If it had been tested, they wouldnt be using CGI for the brochure imo, as they would definitively have footage and pictures of the real thing.
I dont think its ever lead the conceptual/mockup stage, which was my original point and also something nobody has provided a shred of evidence to the contrary for.
Lots of brochures use CGI to demonstrate capabilities. I don’t see that as a “killer” point. But it is odd that no images exist of it in captive testing or otherwise. At the same time, they could just be hiding them. This is common across militaries.
That mockup for the trade show looks reasonable for an IIR or a laser seeker.
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its interesting because even stuff as obscure as the Kh-25MT and MTP have real images, but the 38MT doesnt
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Its not what my entire post is based on either, its just supporting evidence. The fact they use the old missile model from the 2009 mockup in the 2021 brochure doesnt help your point tho.
There are images of the SALH (obviously) and ive seen images of what I assume to be the GPS only head on an aircraft on the ground. Thats 2/4 seeker options that were originally offered having actual images of them on jets.
From my (limited) understanding, the Grom-E1 and Grom-E2 are developments of the Kh-38MK (satellite guidance only head) that have since been photographed and used in combat, while the ML appears to have been the only combined guidance option that actually went on to be actually developped and stated to be used.
There is no aingle point I’m stating to be a 'smoking gun" that the Kh-38MT fell through and likely was never developped, its a combination of all the available info. As some ppl have said, its impossible to prove a negative, so I cant (and have never said) that the Kh-38MT absolutely never existed, just that the level of evidence that it has existed operationally is equivalent to that of other weapon systems that have been removed from the game.
I’d also like to reiterate that the Kh-38MT is absolutely horrible for the game, the only people who like it are those abusing its power to pad their stats by abusing how overpowered it is compared to all other AGM’s and SAM systems available. Its not like the game would be worse off if it was removed pending confirmation of its actual functional existence.
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I’m not arguing anything about if it should be in the game, for what it’s worth. I don’t play tanks because the game mode has become increasingly unfun over the last ten years. I hardly play air for the same reason.
For that reason alone I’d like it to be gone, but I’d like a lot of the game to change in ways that the devs seem to have no interest in pursuing.
I think your point about it falling below other standards is absolutely valid. I’m more talking if it existed at all or not, because that was the discussion above.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Yeah im not accusing you of anything sorry for the misunderstanding.
Im just saying theres a lot of evidence that suggests the Kh-38MT never left the conceptual/mockup stage, with no single point the whole thread is depending on.
Imo, the mix of this info, the fact the evidence of the Kh-38MT’s existence never surpassing that of weapon systems that have been removed from the game already, and balance consideration should be more than enough to remove it from the game, but it is just my opinion based on all currently available evidence at the end of the day.
This is why I provided all available information in the thread, and imo have been more than fair towards considering the information provided by those who believe it “does” exist and should stay in the game, but I’ve yet to see even the most basic of evidence provided by them that its gone beyond just a concept and mockup.
The furthest those who believe the Kh-38MT exist have gotten was likely disproving that there hasnt been a mockup since 2009, with a likely mockup in 2017 as well. Thats not proof of its existence, that just proof of a second mockup yanno?
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I believe it’s very likely that they built at least one seeker for T&E. the advantages of a system like that (comparable in a very broad sense to SLAM) are evident, but the cost/benefit may not be there, and that was likely determined at some point during development.
Do you know any Russians/Russian weapons researchers who may be able to dig further? They told us not to tag Stepanovich but I feel like his skills would be incredibly useful here.
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I mean, threads open for any person who has proof of a functional Kh-38MT to provide said info, and consdering how popular the threads been, and how certain pro-russian players interactions with it, I’d be suprised if someone who cares about the Kh-38MT being ingame isnt already looking into it.
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How image recognition works for IIR missiles isn’t necessarily by using image recognition to cross reference with a database. For a lot of IIR missiles, what they do is instead take an initial “image” the seeker takes of the target, then tries to continue tracking it, looking for the shape with the minimum difference to the last frame (or average of last frames), to use as the target.
While it is true with more modern stuff you could keep lists of every target if you had sufficient data, that data is both hard to come by, difficult to efficiently process in large amounts, and can have issues in certain view angles where data is missing. As such, particularly for air to air missiles, they use the prior described method. This is also similar to how other optical seekers, like those used on some maverick variants work iirc.
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And you also want said data to be stored in a device that can survive -50º to 100+º celcius and dozen of Gs without loosing any data in the process. That alone discards most if not all commercial systems, and when you go specialized like that, you definitely aren’t talking in hundreds of gigs
An SD card actually isn’t that far off on the temps nor the G-loads. A SD card with industrial ratings have a stated operational temperature range of -40ºC to +85ºC, can handle up to 500g of shock and likely wouldn’t be that much harder to design specialized for missiles and be produced for that sole purpose.
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They are also available in Terabytes of size, i found bulk order online of the 512GB costing ~150€ a piece if you buy more than 50 of them, and the 1.5TB ones cost ~550€ a piece if you buy more than 10 of them.