The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

They are transparent about documents when it comes to player reports in recent patch notes at least

Rules for thee, but not for me.

Remind me why a plethora of ordnance options are missing for western aircraft again…

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Maybe in case you are unaware, for laser weapons, laser energy drops off over distance so laser spot tracking range of laser weapons decrease beyond their “nominal” track range (the tracking range value you find in datamines/gamefiles).

Lasing from 30km for a Kh-38ML would make the Kh-38ML (10km nominal tracking range) only spot the laser at roughly 3.3km away instead, so maybe this is causing you issues. Though 3.3km (from 30km designation) should be usually enough to make corrections, unless the launched on target moved away substantially from their initial spot.

This is based on in-game tests I have done:

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it’s an estimate, it’s pretty accurate but it’s not perfect, at low LGW-TGT/LTD-TGT ratios it seems to go more asymptotically in-game, bottoming out a minimum of ~700m detection range.
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There is also the possibility the russian language researchers have documents we dont have access to.

some of them have talked here and said they couldnt find anything

God i hope they remove it, not even for balance or realism, I couldn’t give less of a crap about that, I just wanna see people cope and mald over it.

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Wouldn’t be the first time either, the S-13DF was removed due to the fact that Gaijin didn’t want to even add the western counterparts to it (Zuni-HE & and other assorted FAE ordnance).

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tbf they hadnt modeled it well, they just gave it a stupid high TNT equivalent instead of trying to model thermobaric weapons

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Semi stationary

it can recognize a pattern on the area it’s supposed to target, like a tank for example. If the tank moved in the area, it will still be able to re-adjust on it, assuming it didn’t move too far of course

It would basically make it LOAL, but with a limited capacity to hit something that moved a lot (because late activation of the IR seeker, 1.5km to impact). It goes without saying that on current WT maps it wouldn’t cause that much issue.

Brimstones IR being denied for being LOAL, i of course wouldn’t be opposed to the removal of AASM IR, if KH38 IR - the existence of which seems unclear - is removed as well

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So the only proof of the damn thing POSSIBLY existing was at some weapons con where the pictures are crappy and only make things more confusing. I do NOT think that’s enough to add a weapon. Like how the hell they even get the seeker specs?

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Probably just more Russian bias so no need to worry. Just hope that NATO captures some Russian missiles and prove they’re actually worse than in game.

Pay the Russia goverment.

IR guidance on stationary targets is a new concept to me, which is why I’m not in this conversation.
I’m just glad to be reading things that challenge my understanding of things.

@Internationalism
If the conversation is to be believed, both Kh-38MTs and IR Hammers are potentially over-performing.

In game yeah. Just wait and pray that NATO captures a missile.

That has nothing to do with this.
The alleged way the missile’s supposed to function isn’t physically possible in-game right now.
No missile can do that, and they’d have to code it.

Please don’t jinx us.

So what do these missile do that is not physically possible? Do a cobra?

Then we need to write a bug report to the Gaijins, let them remove this rocket from the game.

At least SCALP/Storm Shadow and Taurus use it, and probably many others

It’s usually done for 2 reasons, at least the way i understand it :

  • make sure your 2 million $/£/€ missile actually hits the target
  • avoid collateral damage

GPS can be jammed, and INS loses its accuracy, especially at extreme ranges. The point of IR in this case is realign the trajectory on the intented target, because even if you lost a few meters with INS, the chances of the same pattern (trees, buildings shapes, terrain, roads) existing a few meters away is basically null

AASM IR is more of a budget cruise missile than a CAS weapon tbh. As for KH38 IR, to be fair i don’t know, because little is known about this missile, as this thread shows

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If that’s the case, then why don’t the Gaijins introduce the AGM-169 Joint Common Missile (JCM) into the game
Range up to 28 km, fire and forget, has a high-quality seeker. Can be installed on both helicopters and airplanes.
It needs to be introduced.
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