we have looked and iirc the russian one used to say similar stuff to the english one but has been updated with it removed
Solid suggestion, so I looked through it and here’s what I found:
Archived Russian version of ROE Kh-38MLE catalogue entry:
Last archived version of the Russian webpage mentioning all 4 guidance options (MAE, MKE, MLE, MTE) in December 2020:
Авиационная модульная управляемая ракета малой дальности Х-38МЛЭ | Каталог Рособоронэкспорт
First archived version of the Russian webpage with only the SALH guidance option (MLE) March 2021:
Авиационная модульная управляемая ракета малой дальности Х-38МЛЭ | Каталог Рособоронэкспорт
Archived English version of ROE Kh-38MLE catalogue entry:
Closest English archived version of the website to the last archived version of the Russian webpage mentioning all 4 guidance options (MAE, MKE, MLE, MTE) Oct 7th 2020:
Short-range guided modular missiles Kh-38MLE | Catalog Rosoboronexport
Closest English archived version of the website to the first archived version of the Russian webpage with only the SALH guidance option (MLE) October 1st 2021:
Short-range guided modular missiles Kh-38MLE | Catalog Rosoboronexport
As can be seen, the English webpage became outdated sometime between December 2020 and March 2021. The modern English version of the website with the blue look appears to just have copy pasted the info over from the outdated English webpage instead of adapting the webpage with the updated information.
Modern versions of the website for comparison to the archived versions:
RU version:
Х-38МЛЭ
In fact, through the entirety of the archived history of the English webpage, it has NEVER updated the information. The information was the same between June 2017 and January 2025.
Historical comparison of ROE's English Kh-38MLE webpage:
Short-range guided modular missiles Kh-38MLE | Catalog Rosoboronexport
Short-range guided modular missiles Kh-38MLE | Catalog Rosoboronexport
This is the last known archived version of the english website which did not use “Kh-38MLE” for the catalogue entry. As can be seen, the archived version is likely very broken and missing some key stuff, like all info in the “Basic Specifications” link, along with the actual image of the missile.
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Mmm, yeah, honestly kinda what I expected but its good to have it confirmed.
So… one of the few pieces of “evidence” for it possibly existing is increasingly looking like its not accurate, really not looking good for the missile existing.
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I appreciate the suggestion to look into it though. It was a bit of a hassle to do, but it did solidify the evidence against it imo, and solved something that was confusing me at the time
I’ve updated the original post with this new information, thanks :)
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I’ll be off till evening, but I really suggest you looking at another thing for now.
Look at how and why this missle was implemented. Suggestions/sources.
I’m gonna be doing it myself and I have a strong feeling that it has something to do with one of the characters in this thread. I may be wrong though.
THAT’S JUST MY GUESS.
Afaik, the Kh-38MT was added to the game without any suggestion from players. I dont want this thread to devolve into pointing fingers or anything. I just want to discuss facts along with peoples opinions of the evidence provided and maybe a tad bit regarding the imbalance of the Kh-38MT in-game and the justification to keep such a broken ASM when considering the evidence at play.
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honestly just give it and the hammer the IR nerf it deserves kek
the seeker is probably french in origin anyways
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I made a quick sweep. And yea - haven’t been able to find any suggestions for it. I just was curious because I found his statement about kh-38 a long time ago on a russian forum. Doesn’t seem to be the case though. So it gets even better. They just pulled this missile out of where?
Another funny thing I’ve been able to find is a question of one user on russian forum. He was questioning the gen3 thermals thing. Because the manufacturer of a seeker (idk where they all got their information from, I’ll look into that later) only states the resolution of a final image, not the thermal matrix one.
Issue with that, the KH-38MT has nothing to do with Balance…
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Thats the question I’m hoping gaijin devs answer eventually ¯_(ツ)_/¯
One solid point a user on the russian forums made is that it made absolutely no sense that russia was equipping expendable missiles with 3rd gen targeting pod-grade thermal optics, but wasn’t equipping the very aircraft theoretically launching these missiles with said level of technology…
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I thought it just common sense. I’m pretty sure I mentioned it once or twice.
SM3 should be below other dominant jets as 4x FnFs don’t really make up for everything else it’s lacking. It’s basically a 10.0 frame with R-73 and KHs.
As for SU-34, just because you are supersonic and have ARHs doesn’t mean you’re remotely competitive against other jets, especially in a GRB setting.
It doesn’t even have HMD, so if you are getting clapped by it in your Rafale or EFT, I’m sorry but that’s on you.
That thing is two BR steps below top tier in Air and even then it’s not great to play, so trying to sell it as something that’s competitive in the air is hilarious.
I mean tbf, assuming the seeker actually exist. It could definitely be a Gen 3 thermals, it being gen 3 means it is expensive meaning Russia could never deploy it on an operational scale, hence why it could be in storage of whatever airfield Russia test their weapons from. But then again, they are using LMURs to scale, and I have no idea what the Matrix resolution on that thing is
And that’s just your opinion.
Only place where it isn’t fine is on 30SM.
That’s just your guess
Only place where it was fine was on the SU-25SM3, Su-30/Su-34 would be completly fine with Kh-29
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It’s mostly me wanting to learn major languages so I’m not locked out of communicating with the rest of the world. I also want to be able to read stuff from the Western periphery to get other perspectives about the world.
Afaik, the LMUR is not actually being deployed in large numbers due to prohibitive cost per munition. It has seen action though, with footage from its seeker being readily available, which is more than can be said for the Kh-38MT, and just another reason why its REALLY suspicious we haven’t seen any Kh-38MT use or seeker footage. The Russians haven’t even bothered claiming its been used a single time afaik, despite the fact they just about always post footage when they use a new weapon.
The quality of the seeker on the LMUR seems rather horrid though, only being able to ID a target basically on impact, which is likely why its commonly used vs stationary structure. The 2 way datalink likely helps it a lot with covering for that perceived concern, being able to guide the missile the whole way in and adjust course. Its also possible the seeker footage we are seeing isnt to the quality its actually seen irl tho.
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It’s quite common for footages to have some form of post-processing to actually mask actual capabilities of stuff. I doubt Russia is any different in that regards
I mean I’m just guessing, but it’s definitely too expensive to even use in the 1st place, and my personal copium is the seeker is French and they probably only have enough for testing with further purchases of the thermals after Russian MoD (or a foreign country) is final in purchasing it. Well that is before sanctions anyways
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