As the suggestor of the Kfir C.10, it should not get them (for now at least), as it would make it 14.0-15.0 or so due to the improved seeker and high range. It would be like having a 30km radius kill zone
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The I-Derby ER has a range equivalent of the Aim-120C-5. It would be the furthest range ARH AAM in the game, and we aren’t ready for that just yet. In the mean time we can get the I-Derby (better seeker Derby) and Python 4. Someday well get the Python 5 and I-Derby ER, but we ain’t there yet.
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Exactly, we ain’t ready for this yet. Too strong of a missile with insane range and amazing tracking (which ofc gaijin can soft nerf the seeker).
Come to think of it, do we even have any two stage missiles in the game? I don’t think they could even properly implement this missile yet…
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I’d rather they test out Python 4s on the C10 platform with a module that also increases the BR to 13.3, just limit it to only 2 P4s. Pretty decent contrast against the missile busses which have 8-12 missiles total.
My understanding is the Derby and I-Derby are the exact same missiles, is it not?
I-Derby should have a better seeker, remember seeing that being said according to a Rafael brochure
No, it’s fine at 13.0. It doesn’t need moved up to 14.3.
okay, then let’s compare it with an aircraft of the same range, the SU 33 that can carry 8 radar missiles with incredible characteristics + 4 heat missiles, in total it can carry 12 missiles with very good characteristics and still it is at 13.0 why not give the KFIR an upgrade knowing that it can only carry 4 of them, Even if it could be considered Python 4?
The SU 33 is also at 13.0 it can carry 12 missiles, 8 of them are radar missiles, with good enough characteristics
And? The FA2 is subsonic, has a mechanical radar and no canon if it runs 4x AMRAAM and is the same BR as the Kfir C10.
The Kfir is a solid aircraft for the BR
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I don’t think that would make them on par…
The Rafale has vastly better flight performance. It can carry twice the amount of ARH as well.
The Mirage 2000 also gets MICA’s and I don’t see it sitting at 14.0BR.
Thats more on the FA2 being the worst aircraft for its BR. Its abysmal, you make so many trades compared to the AV-8B+ yet youre the same BR. its the only fox 3 slinger that should be 12.7 (i would rather decompression but thats slow)
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I didn’t say it would be 14.0 with upgraded missiles.my point was that theyre incomparable and anyway the Kfir C10 is great fun already I think, giving it a better missile and moving it up in BR would probably make it worse
Before we argue if it should get Derby ER or not, do we have definitive proof that it mounted them?
Yes, it used the I-Derby ER, I-Derby, Python 5, and Python 4 in Colombian service. In fact it never even used the Python 3.
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I don’t know, 2/3 of the time I am getting uptiered to 14.0BR anyway.
I usually always see Tyhoons and Rafales so I don’t think any increase in BR would be an issue.
Since I can’t really win any engagement against a competent Rafale or EF pilot in a dogfight with the Kfir (You can obviously win if you are the better pilot, but given equal skill they simply outclass you by miles) giving it better weaponry certainly would help with it facing the top dogs.
It doesn’t even have IRCCM missiles…
The thing is, the Kfir C10 that we got is the ultimate evolution of the Kfir C10… Gaijin didn’t even add the original C10 variant, just went for the final C10
Yes, in fact it is very easy to find them, the acquisition of these missiles by Colombia for the Kfir C10 was years ago and it was not a secret to anyone, the Kfir C10 is a Colombian version and is still in service, in fact it can carry more things, such as Griffin bombs or Phyton 5 of course why it does not have these things I am not complaining, I would only think to give it a better radar missile given the small amount it can carry, there are fruntes such as:
I-Derby ER orders and deliveries
The Colombian Air Force (FAC) acquired the I-Derby ER missile to equip its Israel Aerospace Industries’ (IAI) KFIR aircraft, as part of its KFIR upgrade programme in October 2017.
India test-fired I-Derby ER missile from a Tejas light combat aircraft (LCA) in Goa in April 2021, marking the Tejas LCA’s improved beyond visual range capabilities. India purchased the I-Derby ER missiles from Israel in 2020 under emergency mode during the India-China stand-off in the Galwan valley.
you’re right, almost all of my games have pairings against EF2K RAFALE or f15E
I don’t know, 2/3 of the time I am getting uptiered to 14.0BR anyway.
sure but if you were a higher br, youd be seeing 14.0 75-90% of the time instead of 50-66% of the time
It doesn’t even have IRCCM missiles…
you have 4 missile pylons, carry 4 derbys. who needs IR missiles, you have arguably the best radar in the game, if you find the derbys are not working, fire 1 at a time and maintain hard lock
Since I can’t really win any engagement against a competent Rafale or EF pilot in a dogfight with the Kfir
you should not be getting the chance to get into a dogfight with anyone, let alone a rafale or EF, fire your 4 missiles then RTB, defas are miserable at this BR and you dont even get EEGS