Yes, Israel needs new top-of-the-line AA and light tanks
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They don’t care what happens to the Israeli Tech Tree, playing Israel is always similar to buying skin in other games
Israel ground is fun to play!
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This is a gross misunderstanding of what Israel’s lowtier ranks would look like. Unlike China, Israel did not have the pleasure of importing vehicles, they needed to collect scrap from junkyards and glue together vehicles with mostly WW1 technolofy and some WW2 technology here and there. The first rank especially would be full of half tracks equipped with random weapones. Halftracks in Israel are named “Zachlam”, which is an umbrella term for halftracks of various variants (M3, M5, M9, M14, etc…). Here are just a few:
Zachlam Breda
Zachlam Scotti-IF
Zachlam M6
And don’t even get me started on the Sherman with a 20mm HS.404 inside the barrel instead of the regular breach, the CMP Ford F60 armed with a a Scotti-IF autocannon and premitive composite armor made of steel and wood, several SA38 equipped vehicles which use an improvised AP shell using the casing of the original gun but the penetrator of the M51B1 APCPC, and ao much more.
I’d share my custom-made Israeli tech tree one day in the forums and Reddit, but currently I am working on a HUGE update so I’d like to finish that first. But in short: Israel has way more than enough to make ranks I-III with no copy&paste or at least very little of it.
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You assume Israel had 1948 technology in 1948. Untill the 60s, the IDF’s equipment and vehicles were 30 years behind the west. There are so many mad-max contraptions to add that would perfectly fit ranks I-III.
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With all that said, I’d rather see Israel right now getting some actually good and domestic support vehicles, like the Sholef V2, HVSD/ADAMS, or PT-76-2000. Israel really needs more support vehicles right now.
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What do people think about adding an additional nation to the Israel tech tree to allow it to have a low tier plus some potential diversity at the higher end in the same way as Sweden also has Finland etc?
I think it’s a bad idea, at least until about 2025-2026. If Gaijin keeps adding copy pasta to the Israeli ground TT, at some point they’ll run out of them and be forced to add genuinely interesting and unique vehicles. If another nation is added, that just keeps real progress away. As it stands, Israel is on a trajectory to run out of copy pasta vehicles by around 2025-2026, and after that we can think about adding a minorer nation.
Unfortunately Israel does not really have a “best buddy” nation to add to the game as a subtree. And a US subtree is out of the goddamn queation.
I actually have an idea in the works: a subtree for Israel consisting of private ventures of Israeli military industey complex companies. A subtree that will have vehicles developed by Israeli companies without direct funding by the IDF or the Israeli MoD, including prototypes that never went anywhere like the Rascal, M113 HVMS, M109I7 ‘Spark’, as well as the prototypes of exported vehicles to various nations like the PT-76-2000, RAM V-1 (TOW), and SandCat Mk.4 (the one with a SPIKE ER launcher), and the T-54M3 prototype.
I think it is also a good idea to include just straight up export vehicles, like the Sabrah ASCOD, TAM 2C, and the production version of the T-54M3, but export vehicles need to have a high tolerance of what can be added. Not every vehicle with a tiny Israeli sensor should be added to the subtree, but rather only vehicles where Israeli companies had an absolute or a very large part in development.
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Actually produced prototypes can be obtained without a ‘sub tree’…
All the mentioned vehicles from the private venture group are a must in the existing lines of the Israeli ground TT.
A separate line for exports does sound better. For example the M113 HVMS in the regular line, and M24 with HVMS and perhaps also the Sherman in the exports tree, so you can get an HVMS lineup like you can do with Sweden’s 40mm lineup.
Oh no, I am very obviously aware of this! It’s just that the subtree is a more fun idea to sort those vehicles rather than unload them onto the tree. It woild also give Israel a 5th line, which would make it seem bigger.
More improtantly, the subtree would allow the addition of some vehicles that would otherwise be a bit dodgy to add to the main tree, like the Magach Marksman:
This subtree would also magnetize some vehicles for Israel, like the aforementioned T-54M3. While the prototype is 100% going to Israel, the production variant might end up going to Russia (It’s a T-54 therefore Russian!!!) without the subtree.
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Israel is really no fun… Every nation cuts through merkava. 4 armor like hot knife through butter. Even to the turret from every direction… Frustrating.
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The Eitan with the 30mm turret will be bad assed.
Israel is literally on the last of my list. Id rather play Hungary
Id actually be super interested in it though if it wasnt just the “weird U.S. tree”
Middle eastern design+US tank influence, they have some really crazy cool wacky but viable IRL stuff
And they have literal dozens of unique vehicles
Aside from the slow content, Israel is my favorite line to play.
I wish they would transfer the South African tree to Israel instead. Makes much more sense than being in the UK TT and it still being called UK instead of the more appropriate Commonwealth. And then maybe more South African vehicles would be added.
Why did players call for SA to be in the UK TT anyways?
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yep, for clear reasons, Israel tree lacks vehicles, and you can’t even find a sub tree for it. May be it’s time for it to go back to America sub tree, or create a mixed tree for those not suitable being a independent tree or sub tree.
There is not a clear reason for it. Israel has plenty of vehicles which can be added including an entire missile and IFV line. It’s already rivaling Japan in terms of Ground vehicles anyway.
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But tons of Magachs and Merkavas is still terrible for most of people. As I know, Israel missile and IFV isn’t enough to fill a full unique line, that’s why gaijin keep them so that Israel tree won’t ‘die’ so fast. Japan too, now it’s already in such situation, struggling by prototypes that almost same. And for clear reason, Israel can hardly find a sub tree to save it, so as Japan. I know they are considering South Korea sub tree, but this could cause some international conflicts.