They could delete half of the Magachs, Sho’ts, and Merkavas and no one would notice, not even Gaijin.
The weakness/suckiness of the Israreli tree is in its “low tier”. It doesn’t have one, as mentioned.
IDK what they were thinking other than using it as big kosher carrot to get players to break down and just buy a rank 4+ to get access to the tree and then a big ol’ halal stick once you get there to make the throwninthedeepend grind less painful. So typical…
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I’m sure you are right, but it does seem like they threw the Israel tech tree at those who wanted it as an afterthought. Typical really of the way the game is going generally.
I find that 6-8 BR range to be neither one thing nor the other generally. Not WW2 nor modern just a sad and desperate mix of the two and starting as Israel underlines that for me.
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As it is right now, none really goes for Israel thinking they’d get to play low tiers, at least in the near future. So while it’s a mid to high tier tech tree, Gaijin should make those tiers fun for people. IFVs, LTs, good SPAA, and balanced MBTs, are needed for a good lineup which in turn can make things more fun.
It’s not like there’s a shortage of potential vehicles to add.
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Only because you can’t, because of how Gaijin added them. Which is guess is explainable, no one wants to play the literal trash the IDF started with, they want the cool famous stuff.
The Israelis never really went in on the IFV or LT (which are the same thing in WT) thing. They were always very tank focused, it was even one of their biggest weaknesses in several conflicts.
They just don’t have anything comparable in the upper tiers to BMPs et al. Achzarit and Namer, much less halftracks and M-113s don’t fit the WT meta.
I agree that the Merks should be better in game, but… handwave something about “game balance”…
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In all fairness, Israel has a significant military for a tech tree. It just so happens to not exist in the era that the game originated from. The real creative solution will be finding a way to add the various smaller nations that had WW1 and WW2 tech and participation that wont necessarily fill a tech tree on their own.
Play War Thunder’s Merkava 4 main battle tank to fully enjoy the vicious hostility from gaijin, the top 120mm tank has the slowest loading speed and very “reliable” 65-ton paper armor protection.
What nation has gotten a complete unique ground vehicle rank IV or higher in the past two years that isn’t part of an existing tank family or shared with other tech trees?
I can only think of the Lynx and a couple specialized vehicles.
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Yes, Israel needs new top-of-the-line AA and light tanks
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They don’t care what happens to the Israeli Tech Tree, playing Israel is always similar to buying skin in other games
Israel ground is fun to play!
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This is a gross misunderstanding of what Israel’s lowtier ranks would look like. Unlike China, Israel did not have the pleasure of importing vehicles, they needed to collect scrap from junkyards and glue together vehicles with mostly WW1 technolofy and some WW2 technology here and there. The first rank especially would be full of half tracks equipped with random weapones. Halftracks in Israel are named “Zachlam”, which is an umbrella term for halftracks of various variants (M3, M5, M9, M14, etc…). Here are just a few:
Zachlam Breda
Zachlam Scotti-IF
Zachlam M6
And don’t even get me started on the Sherman with a 20mm HS.404 inside the barrel instead of the regular breach, the CMP Ford F60 armed with a a Scotti-IF autocannon and premitive composite armor made of steel and wood, several SA38 equipped vehicles which use an improvised AP shell using the casing of the original gun but the penetrator of the M51B1 APCPC, and ao much more.
I’d share my custom-made Israeli tech tree one day in the forums and Reddit, but currently I am working on a HUGE update so I’d like to finish that first. But in short: Israel has way more than enough to make ranks I-III with no copy&paste or at least very little of it.
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You assume Israel had 1948 technology in 1948. Untill the 60s, the IDF’s equipment and vehicles were 30 years behind the west. There are so many mad-max contraptions to add that would perfectly fit ranks I-III.
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With all that said, I’d rather see Israel right now getting some actually good and domestic support vehicles, like the Sholef V2, HVSD/ADAMS, or PT-76-2000. Israel really needs more support vehicles right now.
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What do people think about adding an additional nation to the Israel tech tree to allow it to have a low tier plus some potential diversity at the higher end in the same way as Sweden also has Finland etc?
I think it’s a bad idea, at least until about 2025-2026. If Gaijin keeps adding copy pasta to the Israeli ground TT, at some point they’ll run out of them and be forced to add genuinely interesting and unique vehicles. If another nation is added, that just keeps real progress away. As it stands, Israel is on a trajectory to run out of copy pasta vehicles by around 2025-2026, and after that we can think about adding a minorer nation.
Unfortunately Israel does not really have a “best buddy” nation to add to the game as a subtree. And a US subtree is out of the goddamn queation.
I actually have an idea in the works: a subtree for Israel consisting of private ventures of Israeli military industey complex companies. A subtree that will have vehicles developed by Israeli companies without direct funding by the IDF or the Israeli MoD, including prototypes that never went anywhere like the Rascal, M113 HVMS, M109I7 ‘Spark’, as well as the prototypes of exported vehicles to various nations like the PT-76-2000, RAM V-1 (TOW), and SandCat Mk.4 (the one with a SPIKE ER launcher), and the T-54M3 prototype.
I think it is also a good idea to include just straight up export vehicles, like the Sabrah ASCOD, TAM 2C, and the production version of the T-54M3, but export vehicles need to have a high tolerance of what can be added. Not every vehicle with a tiny Israeli sensor should be added to the subtree, but rather only vehicles where Israeli companies had an absolute or a very large part in development.
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Actually produced prototypes can be obtained without a ‘sub tree’…
All the mentioned vehicles from the private venture group are a must in the existing lines of the Israeli ground TT.
A separate line for exports does sound better. For example the M113 HVMS in the regular line, and M24 with HVMS and perhaps also the Sherman in the exports tree, so you can get an HVMS lineup like you can do with Sweden’s 40mm lineup.
Oh no, I am very obviously aware of this! It’s just that the subtree is a more fun idea to sort those vehicles rather than unload them onto the tree. It woild also give Israel a 5th line, which would make it seem bigger.
More improtantly, the subtree would allow the addition of some vehicles that would otherwise be a bit dodgy to add to the main tree, like the Magach Marksman:
This subtree would also magnetize some vehicles for Israel, like the aforementioned T-54M3. While the prototype is 100% going to Israel, the production variant might end up going to Russia (It’s a T-54 therefore Russian!!!) without the subtree.
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Israel is really no fun… Every nation cuts through merkava. 4 armor like hot knife through butter. Even to the turret from every direction… Frustrating.
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