Except the T-80UD/DU1 doesn’t have the turbine engine or transmission of the T-80U, which is why its at 10.7 and not 11.3
My point is that vehicles extent reliability for performance the panther and Tiger series is on the end of being powerful
The T-80 were mentioned becuase of Gaijins 0.3 br rule (A modification of a vehicle which iscrase survivabilty or gun performance raises the tanks br by 0.3 example? Tiger II, IS-2, KV-1,T-34,Shermans about everything follows that
Don’t know about the engine
but having a worse reverse speed at those speeds isn’t worth a br diffirence also it has a Active protection system so by gaijin rules it should be 12.0
I’ve never heard of that tbf, but neat to know
Ik that, I was just mentioning the paper attribute’s incorrectness
T-80UK and M1A1 CB both have APS (soft kill) and they’re at 11.7
Also, Turbine engines are (usually) a little bit quieter compared to Diesel
Talking about the China T-80UD/DU1, doesn’t have an APS. And -4 kph reverse speed is a massive disadvantage.
The T-80UM2 has the APS. It doesn’t have thermals, so a worse version of the T-80U meaning a slightly lower BR.
APS’s don’t automatically mean 12.0, 12.0 tanks mean 12.0. An APS doesn’t make the T-55AMD a 12.0 tank.
Its a very basic APS system that can’t even defend against most of the ATGM’s it sees because they attack from above, outside its narrow vertical angles.
LET’S GO I GOT SILENCED BECAUSE I WAS POINTING THINGS OUT
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You’re not being silenced, it just means your comment is too short.
I am talking about the main topic did you notice?
I needed to refresh the page before it showed up
Rules? . . . what rules? . . . where are the “rules” for establishing and/or changing BR’s?
You might want to consider . . . it’s a video game . . . for entertainment . . … nothing more. Putting your expectations on the game in no way compels Gaijin to do anything. It is their game, they can do what they want . . our approval is not required. Our participation is appreciated as it keeps the game alive.
May be take a step back, look at the entire game, not just this one small portion that you want to play and have a certain way.
We get to play the game that they give us. As a “gamer” that is what I choose to do. Military “enthusiasts” might look at it differently, more closely and even pick all the nits they can find. But in the end . . . it is still an online video game . . try to enjoy that part. Just my opinion . . .
lol what?
it’s a thing called balance you may have heard of it i don’t care if you have your not you damm well know you i am goddamm right, Gaijin has established a Balance un-writen rule as BT-7M not being 12.0 is, Yeah it can compete but that doesn’t mean it’s balanced.
(i am gonna threat 0.3 and 0.4 br changes as 0.3 )
Better gun br incease of 0.3
Better armor br incease of 0.3
MORE
Radar br incease of 0.3
Better armor Br incease of 0.3
(I am referiing to the Tiger 10.5cm) Better gun br incease of 0.3
Better turret rotation rate br incease of 0.3
MORE POER br incease of 0.3
Better armor br incease of 0.3
Better gun br incease of 0.3
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some specifics may be “wrong” but your correct about paper/prototype tanks being extremely powerful in game, like the TURMS III is the most played tank according to gaijin’s 2024 data
That doesnt make sense as there are as equally many examples proving your theory wrong.
Gepard jumps significantly more between base and 1A2 variant and only meaningfull difference are Stingers.
The 76 shermans all have similiar protection and almost identical firepower but they jump from 5.0 to 5.3 to 5.7.
Theres whole BR difference between 75 and 76 jumbo (im not on PC right now might be wrong).
Panther D has similiar protection and identical firepower yet it sits 0.7 below A, G and F.
Leo 2A4 sits whole BR below 2A4M which realistically offers only firepower upgrade.
Also isnt there a 1.0 BR difference between G and H Panzer IVs despite them being identical bar the sideskirts?
Im sure i would find more but i would need to have the game open.
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My point is with slight modifications yeah there is one with the IS-2 and IS-1 jumping from 5.7 to 6.3 but my point get across gaijin has proven and basicly said any Slight improvements to a vehicle move it by 0.3 br
You’re just spouting nonsense. Vehicles are balanced relative to other vehicles at the BR. They are not balanced relative to other variants of the vehicle, and there is certainly no “rule” like you think there is. In fact, most of your topic here is unproductive and u evidenced ranting.
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Yeah because it has been derailed becuase people can’t graps the fact that modifications often have a br diffirence of 0.3
Good IRL = good in-game.
Tiger II 105 is currently unobtainable for those reasons.
Raketenautomat is rather mediocre in-game which is why it’s 8.0 and not higher. No stabilizer, super low traverse, and low armor on a semi-wobbly chassis. It’s primary tactic is ambush positions.
The T-80 family is less capable than Abrams sure, but that doesn’t mean they’re bad or things are imbalanced.
SAV being more miss than hit doesn’t mean that it’s unbalanced.
T-80UM2 was not forgotten, your screenshot shows its BR is 11.3 and not 11.0.
Gaijin does not have a 0.3 rule.
It has a Active protection system so by gaijin rules it should be 11.3.*
Fixed it for you.
Major modifications.* Calling major modifications slight reads as blatantly malicious.
Generally speaking
you’ve made a number of observations and drawn a number of conclusions. It’s not self evident that your observations or evidence supports your conclusions though.