Head-on is the only sight you’re going to see on a F-6C of equal skill before they’re on your tail.
Of unequal skill to your advantage, yeah you’ll be on their tail.
this is you assuming a scenario where the F-6C is playing their cards right and the T-2 isn’t, presenting more bias towards your already biased opinion.
if the T-2 has to take a head-on, you still have to contend with the vulcan and the fact that the T-2 is still capable of hauling major ass and will likely be outside of your WEZ by the time you get an angle.
even then, you likely won’t get a head-on with a T-2 playing their cards right, but far more likely a few vulcan rounds through your fuselage when you’re busy coming around on someone else.
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My scenario is me controlling the cards of my side of engagements.
Something which I’ve encouraged my friends to do as well.
A friend was scared of a Javelin, I told them to force a headon, and they ended up on its tail with a frag cause they were in a better aircraft.
The only way I wouldn’t get a head-on with a T-2 is if they ambushed me with their radar off from a wide angle.
There’s a reason my last T-2 death was from years ago. Partly because they’re rare, partly because their fighting performance is bad compared to the aircraft I life.
And no, T-2 isn’t fast enough.
I’ve been on F-104C tails from head on using Ayit with 1.4km distance for missile launches. T-2 is easier than managing that.
T-2 is if they ambushed me with their radar off from a wide angle.
a T-2 has no reason to have its radar on except at the end of a match, and you have an RWR with a single sector that barely detects anything ever, so this is a pretty null and void point
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The AIM-9P isn’t a phenomenal missile, it’s just a AIM-9B with lipstick on. Whilst it does have slightly more thrust than the AIM-9B, it’s maneuverability isn’t that noteworthy, especially when compared to the R-60 and R-60M/MK. I’d honestly take 4x R-3R’s at 9.7 over only 2x AIM-9P’s.
That doesn’t change the fact the missiles are decent regardless, the F-6C can’t really go down to 9.3 but it is a bit rough at 9.7 admittedly as well. Vehicles like the J-7D and J35XS are what kill the vehicle in full uptiers, it simply shouldn’t be able to face against such vehicles (hard emphasis on the J-7D).
Regarding the FM, it should be the same as the MiG-19S since the F-6C is a export variant of the J-6C which again is basically just a Chinese MiG-19S. It lacks a radar whilst having the same FM as the MiG-19P/PT, giving it worse of both worlds.
The vehicle overall is mid to decent-ish, players who are good will manage whilst below average and average players will struggle with it.
We just severely need decompression at around 8.7 to 10.7, vehicles like the AV-8A or F-6C in this case really do struggle in uptiers whilst stomping in downtiers
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The AIM-9P isn’t a phenomenal missile, it’s just a AIM-9B with lipstick on.
i died reading this, i’m waiting for you in hell to beat you up.
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@TPS_Hydra
What a joke of an argument.
Using the same rationale to show absurdism:
“R-60 isn’t a phenomenal missile, it’s just an R-3S with lipstick on. Whilst it does have slightly more maneuverability than the R-3S, its range isn’t that noteworthy; especially compared to the AIM-9P/P-4.”
AIM-9Js are hilariously good missiles, easily R-60 equivalent.
AIM-9J/P has superior range & flare resistance for a minor degradation in agility; a perfect example of “Preference dictates what you like more.”
also worth noting that R-60s can be outrolled (yes, like a sparrow) whereas AIM-9Js cannot
Only when supersonic, and the energy retention is atrocious when compared to the F6C/Mig-19
This is irrelevant because they are different planes. The mig19 is lighter and has much better TWR.
It’s because it has better TWR. Being lighter doesn’t automatically mean it accelerates faster unless you are comparing similar planes with similar engines.
There is a vulcan indeed. But the 30mm gun is far more devastating on each hit and has a lot better range/ballistics, and the F6C got a healthy amount of ammo compared to most mig19’s
Keep playing the T-2 I guess… Your preference doesn’t mean the F6C is worse and deserving of being 9.3
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F6C got a healthy amount of ammo compared to most mig19’s
it does not, it has the same amount of trigger time. the only thing that improves between the MiG-19s and the F-6C is the potential damage output per cycle of each gun, since the F-6C has an additional NR-30
Keep playing the T-2 I guess… Your preference doesn’t mean the F6C is worse and deserving of being 9.3
my preference indeed and thank you for respecting that, though i never said the F-6C should be 9.3. infact, i am actively advocating for it to stay 9.7, i was just raising my points as to why the T-2 is an equal or sidegrade to the F-6C.
also, every round the NR-30s have access to is slower than every round the vulcan has access to
trigger time and ammo count are completelly different things, and you can do smaller bursts because you put more ammo out, so you can compensate for more “trigger time”
The muzzle speed is irrelevant when you often are shooting at targets more than 500m away, sometimes 1km, while potentially running away from you.
The 30mm round will reach the target with much higher speed than the vulcan.
two NR-30s still hit like a nuclear bomb, having an extra NR-30 doesn’t make that much of a difference.
more ammo doesn’t matter here. a better thing to say is it has an extra gun increasing potential hitrate incase one of your guns misses.
It does because you can do a larger dispersion and hit a larger area, compounding your hit chances at range
where do you even see the total ballistics of a round?
By shooting them at people lol, vulcan feels like a garden hose and bullets fall of the sky very quickly with distance
so you’re basing the full ballistics information based off of pure feel, that’s a good look for your argument which i’ve now completely disregarded
if we’re going by pure feel, the vulcan is a chainsaw with just a bit over 1km lethal range that’ll leave you with missing flight-critical parts or exploding fuel with one well placed burst.
ahahah bro come on… just look at the weight of each round.
Chase and gun someone at 1km distance in transonic+ speeds and the vulcan might not even reach the target, the 30mm round will be considerably easier to hit
and so what?