Well,… i was more about saying that any BR given today ain’t about planes abilities (which i wish it happens as a rebalance of MiG-21F-13 bullshit at 9.3…) but results, and thus the Pilot factor have been taken into account within those BR rating that Gaijin seems to not care enough to do balance updates.
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Good to hear you’ve noticed some difference.
And on my side, i use Ground target belts, as they’re is mostly AP (1 tracer rounds? I don’t remember, long time not used AN/M3)
(basically using AP rounds all over the game as those seems not to be affected much by real shatter.)
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exactly, thats why the sea fury, j5n1, n1k2j, ZERO!!! are so high in BR. The J35XS is severely handicapped from going 11.3 because it has not enough flares. But RWR? Why would you need RWR? Even for sim; didn’t people tell me to “just fly low” when I complained about r27er’s? isn’t “flying low” the number one way to defeat all SARH? why do we have to put up with something that not only flies better than the f-5e but has better armament?
the MiG21 F13 at 9.3 is really really good but the j7d is better because it has two guns and is faster and lighter and has better engine power. Should be the opposite as it goes with the chinze copypastes historically speaking.
27ER stand at higher BR, and so the game still thinks the F-5E is less capable than those (therefore, no point in comparing those 2 different BR)
in the mean time, a Good F-5E would have good time to get around those 27ER’s
we have to rewind back. The F-5E does not have the resources to compete against 11.0 alone, that’s why it got lowered to 10.7. It has very bad guns, very bad missiles and not enough countermeasures. It also gets out fought by every 11.0+ that is not a hard wing phantom, aircraft which does not need to engange since it can kill it with a skyflash. You can see the f-5e FCU thriving solely because it’s missile kit is on par with the rest of 11.0-12.0 aircraft.
If the F-5E had four aim9H’s and actually workable guns I would really like it at 11.3 as a meme mobile but not only did the aim9j get five nerfs (enslave removed, sensitivity reduced, flare resistance reduced, drag increased and g load reduced to 14g pull) but it only has two of them nonetheless.
Most NATO/EU aircraft in this game will still succumb to soviets because the soviets are made to lick the ground (with the upwards facing flares) and have arguably the best ir and sarh missiles by massive margins; while things like the f16 and f15, f4e, f14 etc are made to stay at very high altitude and supposedly score kills in lookdown because supposedly richer countries usually have better technology, which doesn’t seem to be the theme of the game.
no,… not that much. 9J pretty ok for rear-aspect missiles(AIM-9H are also Rea-aspect and for me are more sensible to flares than 9J’s), and M39 guns with AP shreads and tears aircrafts aparts.
that’s why F-5E goes sneaky-breeky in the back of Su-27’s thinking their all mighty
(shutting down radar to avoid getting RWR localized)
i may disagree,… Mirage F.1C (11.3) can’t compete the F-5E in Dogfight.
and there isways to beat up some higher stuff like F-14A or J-8’s
Fighting MiG-21bis is possible 1vs1, depends on what kind of fight you’re proposing to your ennemy
if only Magic-2 wasn’t nerfed to the ground. (no seeker-shut off,… IRCCM Values on par with R-73 while the R-73 uses a 2 cells seeker, and Magic-2 uses a 4 Cells seekers one,… the recent maneuvrability update of Magic-2 makes it HMD usable with 2000-5F but it wasn’t until then - 2 years in the game -,… )
don’t mind a little Russia Bias, but the game is kinda propagandist and we all know it (see about Stingers and Mistral being nerfed because Igla’s can’t do as much)
currently i love licking ground with both F-16ABlk10 & Blk15 (nearly 3 KD in the Blk10, on which i have played 82 games) and F-15A(1.5KD but got 7M recently and doesn’t mean much over 14games) and does pretty ok-ish considering i’m still grinding some modules
no,… not that much
The guns are god awful.
that’s why F-5E goes sneaky-breeky in the back of Su-27’s thinking their all mighty
(shutting down radar to avoid getting RWR localized)
my brother in christ, how is the f-5e going to go “sneaky breaky”, it’s not a stealth aircraft and it barely goes faster than the f8u at sea level. It will not survive the wall of death like 90 percent of the aircraft facing soviets do.
i may disagree,… Mirage F.1C (11.3) can’t compete the F-5E in Dogfight.
Mirage F1C is an exception, but care noticing it’s overtiered for the same reason the f-5e is.
no,… not that much. 9J pretty ok for rear-aspect missiles(AIM-9H are also Rea-aspect and for me are more sensible to flares than 9J’s), and M39 guns with AP shreads and tears aircrafts aparts.
Even if it’s pretty ok, there’s planes at lower BR with four of them, and the j35xs has six and can enslave to IRST, thus the “awful energy retentiion” problem would not be a thing spoiler it retains better than the f5e past mach 1
and there isways to beat up some higher stuff like F-14A or J-8’s
Fighting MiG-21bis is possible 1vs1, depends on what kind of fight you’re proposing to your ennemy
The F-14s are easy targets because they’re slow and massive. They may only win below 890kmh where they rate and hold energy better than the tiger. I may remind you that the MiG19S toys with the f-5e (so does the MiG19 in real life)
Fighting MiG-21bis is possible 1vs1, depends on what kind of fight you’re proposing to your ennemy
Yeah because the MiG21 Bis is slower and has worse one circle pull than the mirage f1c. Oh, I forgot m1f got buffed multiple times.
if only Magic-2 wasn’t nerfed to the ground. (no seeker-shut off,… IRCCM Values on par with R-73 while the R-73 uses a 2 cells seeker, and Magic-2 uses a 4 Cells seekers one,… the recent maneuvrability update of Magic-2 makes it HMD usable with 2000-5F but it wasn’t until then - 2 years in the game -,… )
so let me get this right; the magic 2 got it’s drag reduced to reach slightly further, it’s irccm of seeker shrinking is objectively better than that on aim9m going blind and dodging it the moment you change direction? Yes magic 2 is booboo compared to the aim9m for air rb wise but i want my IRCCM to be real (thus I pick the r73 instead)
don’t mind a little Russia Bias, but the game is kinda propagandist and we all know it (see about Stingers and Mistral being nerfed because Igla’s can’t do as much)
reminder that some event coincided with the addition of the r27er and another event eight months later coincided with the ultra buff of such. If you check replays you will see that there is more volume of mig23 ml’s than f-4s. Gaijin is apolitical, but it does care about the monys. And it would make sense as any profit based company, to make the popular premium pack choice nation to be easier in order to become even more popular. The game long before did see patriotic american gen Z’rs buying f-5c and av8a but then another type of Gen Z decided to buy the MiG23 ML and Su25 instead. Gaijin is apolitical. The whales however…
currently i love licking ground with both F-16ABlk10 & Blk15 (nearly 3 KD in the Blk10, on which i have played 82 games) and F-15A(1.5KD but got 7M recently and doesn’t mean much over 14games) and does pretty ok-ish considering i’m still grinding some modules
the f-16a is very good after the aoa limiter removal, I played it when i got to one circle it with the f-104a in custom battles and of course it was mommagubba bad because it would simply not pull. When I got the Block 10 was still under the f16 adf and got the slight buff to be able to pull 12g’s instead of 8 (6 for the ADF before) and now it’s a bliss to play.
low-level side flight path until you got yourself below them (really easy to do)
Cool. You put yourself behind them, you miss the shot, won’t catch up and eat the r27er from the guy behind.
very easy to do
I need you to post a proof of it in a real match against 12.7 su27s. You also said that the f-15 is op, you’re going to face f-15s too with the f-5e at 12.0. The double standards are becoming evident now.
huh, i toyed more MiG-19’s in F-5 than they did to me (not the same game experience on that side)
you once again keep accidentally agreeing with me. I see you’re writing. Would you like to pick the F-5E and I pick the MiG19S? we can 1v1 now.
bro, you already know i have not as good results as you do,… what would prove a 1vs1 on this basis?
then why do you keep fighting so hard to be in the right when you are not? I’ve dog fought some guy named RikiBosnia in his F-5 and he’s probably the best f-5 duelist in the entire game because i’ve NEVER NEVER NEVER won against him with my own F-5e, not because he has an ace crew in it and I just had expert. I literally gave him no chances on MiG19S WITHOUT EXPERT. I’ve even won great j7e duelists in mig19s and the j7e absolutely slams anything that is not an f-16. Yet the MiG19 and the J7E both lose to the J35.
I had my F-5E when it was 11.0, and done 257 kills for 81 deaths (152 games)
You stands at 314 kills for 84 deaths (184 games)
the aircraft ain’t bad that’s all,…
there is no way you can say that when the aircraft is able to do that much in a game, when placed and all. the aircraft still have great maneuvrability for it’s size and power engine.
the 11.0 of before is not the 11.0 of today. The 11.0 of before had only r27er’s as a major menace, now it has r27et, r73, aircraft that go mach 1.5 in the deck and irccm; also when I got the phantom I got very balanced matches with four 12.0 maximum when going uptiered. You won’t survive.
The power to weight of the f-5e peaks in a spot that doesn’t last long nor gives enough maneuverability. The F-5E is either retaining speed, or maneuverable. It can’t be both. And it takes gorillion time to accelerate.
Once again, it’s not that the f-5e is good when everyone decides to hover around at 500ias without popping a single flare or stick to rate fights. The MiG23M absolutely slams the F5E in dogfight alone, do you really have the naiveness to think that something that can literally only rate fight and boom and zoom with arguably the worst damaging supersonic jet gun in the entire game, is even going to do anything against su27s that are built like focken tanks?
We were in these kinds of situations constantly. I cry about certain plane? everyone says I’m bad. I go play it and score a 7 kill game and four 3k/1 assist for the sake of rebuttal? “If you do good why cry about it” Its always the same story. If I cry im bad then i show im not that bad then “why you cry mantis?” alright then. Keep overrating bad aircraft that thrive by ratting or going head on. I **repeat for the last time ** i’ve never had a major issue against f-5s when I actively defend or attack from them. The only times I died was when I was in stock mig23 mld and when i got caught off guard dogfighting; literally how I get my kills on the f.5e.
Trying to heart but I can’t lol
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well sadge.
Zased
The bait is real with this one
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