the mig 21 can carry 4 r60s that being said he keeps doing much better with the f5c while he claims that it is not a good plane, he is just coping because he is getting killed more now
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But MiG-21 doesn’t have good energy retention, you can win a dogfight with a MiG-21 in an F-5C easily after one turn
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YOU are the one with superb energy retention
So what? i’m 100kmh slower in the deck than any other 10.3 fighters and those I am faster than are in my team because it’s the crusader with its transonic drag. Everyone has the privilege to disengage. If I can avoid getting killed by a zero on the absolute unholy brick that is the sea fury, why would I not struggle with the nuclear powered MiG21 SMT? I’ve only lost to f-5’s when I was busy dogfighting someone and I didn’t pay attention to my surroundings.
I’ve had F-5Cs catch up to me in a full speed Tornado. F-5s don’t suffer because one MiG-23 ran away from you
You can be caught up in any plane if the incoming target has much higher aspect approach than you. I’ve been caught up by hunter f58’s on my mig21 smt because I goofed up my trajectory and kept going ahead instead of pulling out of the path. That f-5C was clever, you were not. There’s no way the f-5c unable to break mach 1.01 has caught up your tornado at full speed from behind. The tornado is faster than the Phantom.
This is just false, no plane at 10.3 can carry 4 30Gs except for slow/unmanuverable striker aircraft. Last time I checked the Yak-38 or A-10 didn’t have flight performace of a F-16.
Mig21 SMT has four r60’s which up close rear aspect will absolutely strike you no matter how much you flare. F8E has four 18g missiles that make r60’s seem like booboogaagaa wands. These planes (especially the SMT) accelerate very well, of which the smt out accelerates the phantom. I didn’t say anything about the f-16.
Wrong, the mig21 just needs to disengage, extend for 2 km and spiral climb spamming W, the F-5 can also lose one circle to MiG21 any day of the week. Especially considering how much speed the f-5c loses after going below 1000kmh and then how much time it takes it to regain because it has virtually no engine power. Also if it actually had 1:1 twr at mach 0.9 like people say it would climb upwards nonstop the moment it hits those speeds.
Howabout this. Me (Tornado) and an F-5C approach in a headon. I’m full burning, max speed. F-5 does a 180 degree turn and catches up to me somehow. Thats how.
Turning around and chasing isn’t clever in the slightest. You claim we have the privilege to disengeage but that simply isn’t true.
This also just isn’t true in game.
Every missile can’t be flared if fired close enough. If you do one turn and run away the MiG will lose all its energy
You compared the flight performance to top tiers.
Only if your an idiot and let the MiG-21 get you into a one circle and let him hit you first converge. After that its speed is gone and you can kill him.
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Honestly R-60 is the least worrysome high G loading rear aspect missile. You can flare them reasonably easily, but most importantly is that if you dont have flares you can barrel roll the energy of the missile away.
Also:
Not how that works
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i flew the yak38m when it only had two r60’s and because it was 9.7 and faced 10.7 constantly, planes with flares and much better flight performance.
I’m relatively new to the MiG21 SMT and most of my kills are with the gun, as I got the r60’s quite not long ago and many times I end up matches wtih 3 kills and having fired none of them.
Su25 and MiG21 SMT? 90 percent of my kills are with the guns; I use the r60s to intercept incoming sparrows, I do the same with the aim9l’s on my f16s. I rarely missile with a more-than-10g weapon a plane that doesn’t have flares and when I do I always say sorry, I always use the gun on targets like the f3h, mig19pt and hunter f6.
dude no matter how many excuses you put, you keep having much worse stats, 3 times lower kd, while praising the gsh 23 2 and the r60 as some sort of god like weapons.
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No way this dude just said the Gsh-23 is OP
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he probably thinks that air resistance is negligible like on middle school physic problems
he claims that it is better than the m39 and the vulcan
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GSh-23-6? Yes
GSh-23-2? Effectively urinary hesitancy
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M39? Gsh might have higher damage but theres always two M39s and Gsh has low ammo. Vulcan? what drugs is he on?
first of all: the yak38 is dogshit and it was worse when it came out. Secondly I had to get through the stock grind on mig21 smt (of which i had to constantly face the bullcrap that is the J35XS daily, which is like you but better). Of which I have better stats than you (ironic how the guys stat shaming and saying skill issue are usually worse than their target of mockery).
the higher you go the less air resistance you have. MiG19 can climb accelerating, the f-5c can’t.
GSh23L is still two barrels, and it objectively deals more damage than m39.
and?
Im comparing your stats with yours. how is that stat shaming… learn to read.
btw i have better stats with the yak 38M and around the same or slightly worse with the mig 21 smt, both of them from they where introduced, so the smt is likely not a good plane to compare with. Also i do know if you have realize but im not a aircraft main, so comparing stats is stupid to begin with.
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you keep having air resistance… specially at m0.9.
Technically, but it doesn’t have the same fire rate nor spread of M39s because its still one gun and they alternate firing
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