That is literally not how it works. Are you suggesting premiums should have higher BR because of the SL/RP bonuses? lol
As previously stated, the F-5C has one single advantage for at least 6 disadvantages.
Every aircraft suffers in an up-tier. It was a very serious issue for high tier aircraft due to BR compression. Most of those issues are solved now. Except for the F-5C which had it’s BR even more compressed. It now has to fight vastly superior MLDs (almost always) and F-4Ss (frequently).
Unless you have some stats to show, your personal paranoias don’t account for anything. I’m sorry.
Where do I get close to saying that? I’m pointing out that one will make you more SL/RP because it’s premium. Are you saying you want premiums at a lower BR?
Then move the F-5E up.
The F-5C has been undertiered, it finally went up and that was only because max BR went up. Now it can’t club jets that were far worst then it.
It will still out dogfight those jets.
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Once again, you are throwing wild claims instead of adding anything meaningful to the conversation. Once again: Unless you have some stats to show, your personal paranoias don’t account for anything. What are you even doing here?
Are you saying the thing hasn’t been a clubber since its introduction?
Come on now, seriously? This is getting ridiculous.
Talking to US mains is so frustrating. sorry that the undertiered, brain dead easy to fly jet got moved up slightly after years and years of making other jets suffer(most that don’t even have CMs while this thing got artificial buffs just to keep it selling)
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Ok, so I’m going to say it again. The max BR went up by .7
It took ALL jets being moved up, for the F-5C(which has been a club machine since introduction) to finally actually be moved up and away from jets that had no chance of fighting it. So in the grand scheme of things, it wasn’t actually moved up(since you know, it was a mass decompression and not just one vehicle that was moved up while all others stood at the same BR)
Since the F-5E only went up by .3 it was actually spared(you can even look at it like got a BR decrease)
Just admit it, you want your club machine to stay at a lower BR so it can club.
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You don’t need to explain decompression to me.
12.0 and above moved up by 0.7.
10.0 - 11.7 generally moved up by 0.3, with some exceptions. The F-14A moved up by 0.7 which is fair because it has ARHs. The F-4J on the other hand also got unfairly bumped up by 0.7 while the Mig23 ML and MLDs which are its direct competitors, only went up by 0.3.
The F-5C which has one single advantage (sustained turn rate), and a plethora of disadvantages got moved up by 0.7 purely because people like you constantly complain and claim that “it was a UFO” and that it was a “brain dead easy to fly jet” and a “club machine” without citing any actual numbers.
I ask again, show me some numbers/stats for such claims:
I’m pretty sure this delusion of the F-5C being a “UFO” comes from the fact that:
- US is most played tech tree in War Thunder.
- A lot of people bought the F-5C back in the summer 2022 sale because it was the only fighter (the A-10 and the harrier being strike aircraft) on sale.
Because of this, a huge number of F-5Cs started flooding the matches. People were dying to F-5Cs a lot often simply because there were more of them, and they attributed this to the F-5C somehow being more OP than it actually was. Kind of like survivor’s bias, but that’s just my theory.
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As for down-tiers, I’ll admit for the sake of argument that it did indeed “club” 9.3 aircraft. But what about 9.7? Are you claiming that the F-5C also “clubbed” 9.7? Can you name some aircrafts that got “clubbed”?
There were a lot of issues at 9.0 - 10.0. We had AIM 9Ls and R-60Ms in 9.3 matches!
But that was the whole point of decompression, wasn’t it? The F-5C at 10.7 would bar it from 9.3, so problem solved.
That is simply not true. If you can’t at least survive against the F-5C at 9.3 and put up a good fight against it at 9.7, you have massive skill issues.
I want the F-5C to move up by 0.3, like all its competitors. There is no justification for it getting a bump in BR (still waiting for actual numbers/stats).
I do not want the F-5C being “clubbed” by an unrestricted number of ML/MLDs and up to four F-4S/Js and other massively advanced and fast aircraft in almost all matches.
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Look, I’m done. It should have been 10.7 for years, if you can’t see that then you’re just a hardcore US player. Simple as that.
Remove the CMs and then I can see it being 10.7 or maybe lower. The thing has had special treatment for years.
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Ok. I see how it is. You’re behaving like a literal 9yo right now instead of uttering one single objective statement.
I’m making a point about the F-5C receiving a BR raise (not because of the decompression) and you’re yapping about decompression this and decompression that. I don’t know why ¯(°_o)/¯ .
You can stop replying since you have nothing useful to say. Have a good day.
Something tells me you’re still gonna cry about a flareless F-5C at 10.7 or “maybe lower”.
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CodyBlues has a point tho.
F-5C wasnt the single jet recieving BR raise and as such, its relative position in relation to uptiers did not change that much.
For example before decompression, there was difference of 1.4 BR between F-5C (10.3) and F-14A (11.7).
Now the F-5C (11.0) sits 1.3 BR below F-14A (12.3).
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No.
Most planes at around 10.0 - 11.0 went up by only 0.3 BR.
The F-5C/A and the F-4C went up by 0.7, which means these planes now sit 0.3 BR higher than what they used to.
Toptier aircraft BR decompression - Google Drive
As an example, the MiG23 ML/MLD used to be 1.0 BR above the F-5C. What it meant was that the F-5C could not face more than 4 ML/MLDs or other +1.0 BR planes in a full up-tier. That is how it works.
Now, the ML/MLDs sit only 0.7 BR above the F-5C, which means the F-5C can face as many of them as the enemy can bring (there are a lot of them), in addition to 4 F-4S Phantoms or other 12.0 planes.
And while we are on the topic BR decompression, there has been no decompression for the F-5C. It still faces everything it used to (now more of them).
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f5e went up 1 step
f5c went up 2 steps for no reason
f5e != f5c
no
either f5c 10.7 f5e 11.0 or f5c 11.0 f5e 11.3
but imo it should be the f5c 10.7 option as it faces aircraft in big amount that it wouldnt face before
and f5a going up to 11.0 aswell is a joke
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PD radar Phantoms went from 11.3 (0.6 BR difference) to 12.0 (1.0 BR difference).
Also all MiG-23a were nerfed massively both in FM and radar.
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Objectively yes and push everything else to 14.0
You want to be talked to like an adult then act like one.
The thing has maintained a positive KD and win rate despite the fact that is one of the most flown planes. Ive seen in this forum people claim the F-5C is a 9.7 aircraft if you removed its CM, there is literally no point in arguing with people like you.
The worst part is they will probably lower the jet just because of the belly aching from US mains.
the redditors have seethed for years as if the aircraft was never nerfed; as if it still tanked skyflashes strongly enough to keep flying normally, as if the guns werent’ nerfed, as if the sensitivity of the aim9e’s was the same as four years ago.
The plane was already a bummer at 10.3, and people kept dying to it because they thought doing a 180 against the first enemy they see is the best thing.
The F-5C is slightly better than the E in the one circle, but it works as an ascending spiral, which is just missile candy for your teammate phantoms. 2 circle don’t get interrupted, they simply don’t happen because the same way you can run away from a zero on a spitfire you can run away from an f-5c on a mig19.
The F-5C WAS competitive back then when the m39s were so good that literally staying within 2.5km of the f-5’s nose authority area was a death sentence. Now after this update they pack a punch but are completely useless beyond 800m and that is during slow speed dogfights where the shells don’t suffer drag.
or else you still die to zeroes in rank 4 props. Because ever since 10.3 got flooded with mig23 ml’s and j35xs’s that not only rinse your cheeks in a dogfight but also outpace you by 340kmh faster on the deck because they have true engines, the f-5c stopped being relevant solely because it’s only advantage being outrating mig21’s at mach 0.98 is now negated. So even worse than the zero because nothing else can outdogfight the zero, while everything else that is not an attacker can outdogfight the f-5c; and if not, they can kill it with an irccm missile that completely ignores the flares being hotter than the engines. Which are cold because they provide no thermodynamic thrust at all.
Now the f-5c is at the same BR as the j7e, which not only has one of the best IR missiles in game (period), it’s practically undefeatable unless the pilot decides to 1v1 an f-16 block 10 in a custom battle with tournament rules.
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Your whining makes no sense dude
I promise you the 9.3s don’t think that. You can’t ruin an entire BR bracket and say it’s a “bummer”
Bro complaining because you’re like top 5 and not the absolute meta is so dumb
That’s because you can’t fly full burner in a straight line and dump 2 flares. Learn to dodge.
Brooooooo cmon really? That’s the hill you want to die on?
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But not 9.7s, right? So why isn’t it at 10.7? where it rightfully should be.