He called me malicious just cause I want F-111C and F-111F to be made accurate.
The first person to use the word malicious in this thread was you…
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Cause if you quote the actual insult your post gets flagged and removed.
Quoting insults is just as rule-breaking as using the insult.
Alright well this isn’t going anywhere, and it’s also derailing the thread. I would appreciate if everyone here would get back on topic, as arguing about the possibilities of the game isn’t going to change anything like bug reporting and contacting Tech Mods/Devs will.
Currently the F-111F lacks its proper radar and radar modes, that is the subject of this thread and I would not like to see the thread derailed on other subjects.
I also now understand the RWR is also highly inaccurate and can edit the thread to include it in the title and subject post if everyone here would like me too, rather than creating a whole new thread.
Quick poll for this if y’all don’t mind:
- Include F-111F/C RWR Issues in this Thread?
- Create New Thread for F-111F/C RWR Issues?
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voters
Regardless of the outcome of this poll, given the similarities between the RWR and Radar issue, I see no problem with at the very least discussing both topics in this thread.
If the off topic and arguing continues, I’ll grab a forum mod to clean this thread up. There’s no need to argue in such a way over unnecessary things, such as game limitations, especially when the game is proven to not be limited in such a way. And either way while I bring this subject up for the last time, the radar could be implemented in such ways that it includes all the possible features that are limited by the state of game, such as simply leaving out the radar modes that aren’t yet currently possible to add.
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The problem with F-111F is, the latest official manual I have found is classified.
I made a report but it was rejected Community Bug Reporting System
The older manual mention the AN/APQ-144 as air-to-air search and track radar.
That manual I think is not classified.
There are also few other radars for terrain following, for ground search and track, altidude radar.
here is the
equipment listing
of AN/APQ radars.
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I think for some reason Gaijin doesn’t want planes/tanks from countries other than the USSR to have true equipment.
I don’t know if this is because of “restricted” documentation or if there are other reasons for this.
Recently my report about the radar in the A-6E TRAM was marked as a duplicate and linked to a report that was written on the old forum. Community Bug Reporting System
The link leads to a page with some message “Sorry, there is a problem
You do not have permission to view this topic.
Error code: 2F173/H”
https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/569487-fwd-dec102022-222014-a-6e-tram-missing-radar-modes/
and here is the old bug report:
I think TRAM will never get radar. If they spend 2 years wondering whether it had such a radar or not, then something is wrong here.
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I just made a report for the F-111F and ALR-62I. At the least the ALR-2002 should be similar to the 62I, so I suggested that as well, but idk how the devs will handle that.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Dxp5aSZuhdFn
Funnily enough, the F-111A we have in game seems to be a modernized one, as it also includes the compass sail receiver which should not be present with the APS-109 RWR, but eh idk… Gaijin has been always a bit inconsistent with in game models and actual intended models, so I suppose it is rather a modelling error, similar I could go on about the F-16 RWRs…
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He’s too active here for a simple troll. I think he’s on GJ’s payroll because he defends literally every complaint against GJ from the players.
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It’s pretty funny that the documentation on Soviet/Russian equipment often remains classified longer than that of Western counterparts. That doesn’t stop GJ from making things up in the game, giving Soviet equipment and weapons capabilities they never had in real life.
“Whoever I don’t like is a paid shill that Gaijin hired”
Any examples?
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Of course, as much as you like. The most recent example I encountered today when I unlocked the Su-25. Here it is:
Maybe I’m missing something, but I’ve never seen this kind of interface on other planes that lack targeting pods. As for other examples — they’ve been brought up on this forum multiple times. The first things that come to mind: the Kh-29T in real life cannot engage moving targets, neither can Soviet KAB bombs; Soviet ERA can’t stop a shell hitting it at a perpendicular angle; Kontakt-5 can’t withstand modern APFSDS rounds designed to defeat Soviet reactive armor; the Yak-28 didn’t carry flares; the Yak-141 never carried any weapons in reality; the Su-27SM has never seen R-77 missiles under its wings; tank autoloaders, mostly found in the Soviet tech tree, were simply not modeled as modules and couldn’t be damaged; the Su-24 was immediately given a ground radar in the game, which for some reason Western aircraft lack, and so on.
But when it comes to Western equipment, there seem to be all sorts of restrictions. The tiniest inconveniences are meticulously implemented, even when they could be ignored for gameplay purposes. Planes lack their primary weapons; tanks have armor bugs that the community has literally measured with tape, hoping for a fix; bug reports are closed because the documents are classified, and so on.
That isn’t unique to the Yak-141, so it isn’t special treatment. More examples of similar situations with aircraft.
But they are now.
And that’s bad? Gaijin implementing stuff based on classified documents would get them in massive trouble.
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But many of those “classified” documents are available on public websites or even on ebay. Some are for free, some are paid.
Take a look at the avialogs.com for example.
Are you this guy’s partner or his lawyer?
Do you mean secret stuff like the Kh-38 and other modern missiles in the game? Or are you talking about modern tanks, air defense systems, and so on? Oh man, but they’re already in the game! Let’s pray together that GJ doesn’t run into trouble because of these secret things. Hang in there, GJ, we’re with you!
But I’m glad to see that you’re not disputing the other examples and generally agree that GJ is biased and tries to make Russian equipment look better than it really is.
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No, I just hate how much “Russian bias” is parroted by the community when it does not exist in any meaningful way. There is no Russian bias, just confirmation bias (and bias towards $$$). A person can be both right on some topics, and wrong on others.
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@Flogger_cbs accusing War Thunder critics of being on Gaijin’s payroll, or being other malicious acts.
I defend most critics on the forum and support their posts; this is well known that I’ve supported hundreds of critics, and thousands of criticisms of War Thunder on top of having my own hundred+ criticisms of War Thunder.
Weird of you to imply that M1A2 SEP is Russian.
Or Gripen, F-15C, Strv 122, etc.
Also for something to be a criticism it has to be true. Lies, disinformation, and/or misinformation is not criticism.
Creating a strawman to argue against is not criticism.
“I’m arguing against Gaijin’s overt actions that is clearly American bias.” No you’re not, your post is creating a strawman and misinformation.
Replace American with any other tech tree, in your case it’s Soviet.
Completely ignore that the Su-27SM is the 2nd worst 13.7 aircraft in the game currently [J-11A is the worst].
Or how it took years after Strv 122 was added for the Soviets to get their T-90M and Germans to get their 2A7V.
This is also an F-111F topic about its radar, which as my initial post states: The F-111F currently has a placeholder radar, obviously because its weapons are not reliant on it. The correct one should be added when it’s finished.
Dude, I think I just gave you examples of this Russian bias. Looks like I wasted my time.
Probably right after the Intruder’s radar. Gotta wait a little longer.
Please tell me I’m just being paranoid and GJ isn’t actually using paid trolls.
If you want to call it paranoia… then it’s paranoia. I am not going to accuse you of that personally.
I am just going to say your post’s assumptions about others are dangerous to make as it’ll cause undue stress. It’s better to start with thinking the other person’s sincere and of sound mind at all times, especially when we disagree.
I am on your side no matter what dumb minor disagreements we have on some topics.
All I can do is apologize for any harm I seem to have caused you and be a better man for tomorrow.
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Imagine thinking everyone who doesn’t agree with you is a paid troll.
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Of course, I don’t actually think that.