Maybe I just have a different playstyle for it? Have you considered playing vehicles outside of mainstream? I like to experiment with vehicles and try my own ways and highly recommend you do the same cause its fun
90-100 degrees is also a Notch, these 10 degrees significantly increase the comfort of performing such a trick.
So you are saying that Britain shouldnt have gotten the GR4 because “its better than Germany’s equivalent”?
and yes, they should be the same BR, the only real difference is that the GR4 gets BOL. Should the MFG, WTD61 and ASSTA1 all be at 12.0 because the GR1 is at 11.7 with weaker engines?
Are you kidding me? I’ve told you three times that for some unknown reason it was introduced a year after a similar modification. I’m completely fine with GR 4 being in the game.
You should study the differences in their armaments better, especially in numbers.
Its that the limit is right at 90 degrees. You cant notch a missile and guide yours in at 90 because of the closer rate of the incoming missile in that situation. You need slightly more than 90 degrees to notch and guide. This is especially noticeable against MICA.
Translation: “Just accept that you’re inferior and find meaning in it.”
As I´m reading the only place where it says 90 degrees of FOV of the Mk1 is in the manufacturer website, also still can´t find where it says the Mk0 and Mk2 has 100 degrees, only the official website of EF that doesnt state wich Mk has the 100 degrees, and the leonardo website that doesnt say the 100 degrees.
And the GR4 was added 9 months after the WTD61.
Your point?
What differences?
You get HOSBO, we get PGMs. I would take HOSBOs everytime
You get GBU-54s we get Paveway IVs
You get Aim-9li we get Aim-9M
We have 15 Brimstones that arent worth ever equipping, you have 9 Brimstones that you shouldnt even have considering that fitting them was a proposal from 10 years ago for the ASSTA 4 and not the SLE.
Ive had no issue the past year sitting with targets right at the edge of the CAPTOR-Ms FoR guiding missiles in before they go active and I can notch if needed to defend. Combine the upgrade of going to AESA with the the ability to actually sit at 85-90 degrees and still guide the missile, Those extra 10 degrees…
Its a minor QoL advnatage, the way some are speaking about it, youd think the Mk1 has the same FoR as the CAPTOR-M
So, is the plane’s name the only thing that matters to you? Doesn’t it matter that these planes aren’t comparable in terms of missions and effectiveness?
“Just ignore the fact that Brimstone can’t be used with HOSBO.”
Dude, it’s a game, a PVP game, there needs to be balance, you know? It’s not a museum.
Once again against MICA its a lot more noticeable. You simply cant guide with them at 90. you have to pull away from the missile at some point to notch fully. You can guide them until they pitbull then go cold, but thats not the same thing.

Just delete Brimstones from the SLE. Problem solved
It’s funny to listen to the attacks of players who preferred to play the fictional JAS39 instead of the Tornado F.3 Late, when the Germans had no choice and had to play the F4F.
Cough,cough
Regarding the F-4F ICE on launch it was the best 3rd gen FOX3 carrier in game and soon after its introduction got moved down BR despite other 3rd gen FOX3 carriers staying the same. After multiple BR compressions and decompressions ICE still remains the strongest among similar vehicles and is one of the strongest vehicles around its current BR imo.
And just to clarify I do play the type. It was one of my most anticipated semi-modern vehicles. I loved playing it on dev and I do love playing it now.
There is no point in discussing anything with you, you don’t even understand that Notch is not just being at 90 degrees from the target.
It was 13.3 when it was introduced and the top br at the time was 13.7. it moved to 13.0 specifically because it performed so poorly. I love the ICE too, hell i spaded mine when it was 13.3, but he’s kinda right. It was the weakest top tier addition in comparison to the F15c and su27sm added in the same patch.
And it was kinda historically introduced as a stop gap in game, until (too strong at the time) Typhoon could arrive. Playing it as boom and zoom and pure BVR fighter at the time wasnt a bad experience for me personally. Even in WVR I still found myself to be surprisingly effective due to amazing ACM lock windows allowing for some crazy off boresight shots with AIM-120. And these days its just an amazing aircraft. Thats how I see it
Historically, JAS39 was invented for the British to avoid such problems.
And now the British are telling us how to “accept our differences.”
I agree with lowering the BR in ground combat to 11.7. Like Kurnass 2000