You realize the Kurnass is the best 11.3 F-4E in the game right? (Since it gets Aim-9Gs over Aim-9Js). I’ve also heard from friends that it’s in a really good spot right now after the BR changes.
(Also in regards to the MiG-23MLs BR, its radar sucks quite a bit now, making the R-24R hard to use, so it got nerfed when the BR changes happened and didn’t go up. There was also the recent Flight model nerf it got as well…)
Mfw decompression
Pretty much every F-4 except the E and Kurnass are overtiered compared to those two. Same with the MiG-23s. Gaijin’s 13.7 decompression failed to decompress the most compressed BR range of 11.3-12.0…
And if you manually point the radar down?
Not possible anymore, unless it’s a control I don’t know.
The R-60M is so bad, even as hyperbole comparing it to the AIM-9M is wild. Even setting aside the bad flare resistance, the motor is so anemic. Even against enemies who aren’t paying attention, the R-60M is tough to use because if they’re firing a missile, a rocket, anything bigger than a cannon round, it’ll miss. If the target is chasing an ally who is flaring, it’ll miss. If the enemy is even a smidge faster than you and not flying at you, it’ll likely miss. I’ve never had to turn off afterburner to dodge a R-60M, and only one time have I seen it ignore flares, which probably was because of rise time.
lolwat? I fly all the different Phantoms and only the F-4C is allegedly over-BR’d.
The rest are good.
“allegedly” it’s one of only 3 fighters at 10.7 with no flares, and it also lacks in terms of flight performance, missile performance, and now at 10.7 the speed isn’t so great either. The F-4F early is at the same BR, also with no flares, but with superior flight characteristics, better IR missiles, an internal gun, and only lacking the far below average radar missiles that the F-4C carries.
Also you can pull out whatever stats you want and say “but I did okay with it!” but the F-4EJ is severely lacking. Without agile eagle and with a terrible radar and no DF sparrows it offers nothing over the american F-4E, which is also not a top performer, or at least wasn’t under the old BRs. They’re both definitely better off now that they aren’t facing F-16s and MiG-29s every game.
No?!?!? All of them bar F-4C are in perfectly fine spots.
You’re really fine with the J and friends being only .3 below the F-14A, or the EJ Kai being the same BR as F-14B, F-16A, and MiG-29?
i should be complaining about the F104 s TAF.
i constant get uptieres with F14
EJ-kai being the same BR as the F-16A is hilarious. Now I’ve never played the EJ-kai, but I can guess that an F-4E with F-16A avionics and weapons will automatically perform worse than an F-16A with F-16A avionics and weapons… at least the Phantom can carry two additional 7F’s though lmao
This is gold, i laughed so hard
F-4EJ Kai is 12.3, not 12.7. F-4J and F-4S are fine where they are, you could make a case about FG.1, FGR.2 and F-4JUnK being overtiered though. F-4E is in a fine position, F-4EJ could probably go down, we will have to see if anything changed.
Its flight performance is better than a J35D, it primarily lacks weapons compared to J35D of course.
F-4F is marginally better in flight performance over F-4C, a 0.5deg/s difference.
Also F-4EJ got downtiered along with the F-4E and Kurnass due to the BR changes.
@WalletWorrier
F-14A is literally an F-4J that can dogfight. That’s it.
EJ Kai is 0.3 below F-14B despite having identical armament with a vastly superior radar, and its only flaw vs F-14B is it can’t dogfight.
lol FGR.2 at 12.0
It 100% is. Took the MLA for a spin to confirm. You have to change the checkbox for constant radar elevation in the air battle settings and then bind controls for radar elevation. Its possible to be level or even slightly positive angle and still get MTI, but limited due to the minimum angle of the radar.
Cute to see complaints about these planes while other trees are far more gimped at jet tier
i mean. the f4e is very maneuverable. at low fuel itll shit on most top tiers
fine spots. yes the f4e with useless radar, useless rear aspect missile, low ammo and countermeasures count is perfectly fine sure