@HondaCivici
So your post is focusing on the words rather than the substance of the message… while claiming I am.
I use AGM-65s in ground RB, so whatever you say will be unempathetic at best.
Especially since your post just implied KH-38s aren’t effective stand-off either, the same guidance type as AGM-65D and G.
In ground battles it’s AGM vs SPAA, not AGM vs AGM.
@Mathll
AGM-65s go 23km at an altitude of 9000 meters going as speed of mach 0.91.
Not 1.4.
The Pantsir can also shoot down all of the Brimstones that a Tornado has to manually guide onto a target. The Su-25 and AGM 65 users can lock and fire and forget.
We also have no idea how fast the Brimstone will accelerate off the rail. We may find that by the time the Tornado is lasing the Pantsir or tank it will have to follow the missile into the target bringing it closer into range of other Sams
lol Claims without evidence.
Gayjin: brimstones too op. Cant counter them
Also gayjin: Adds kh38 which pantsir can shoot down… Oh wait
Yea and now we have to deal with russian 100km cruise missiles that yet again 1 or 2 spaa can shoot down and anyone trying to say F117 will be good. I ll surely bet my 100 bucks it wont and i m not joking
I won’t insult you by asking you to reread what I wrote.
MACH 1.4 IS THE MAXIMUM DROP SPEED
We still dont kown about the guidance of the kh 36 in game, it could be just simple gps, which wouldnt really make it that strong
How do you think its going to work…Go and try and take a Pantsir on with an AGM 65 and follow it to the Pantsir target before it impacts. No breaking away from the target.
We will see… After kh38 i can press that doubt button
Also wait on trauler there were 6 (i believe) fired so idk although they could be gps guided its just another spawn point and click land simulator
The one in the trailer was either gps only or active radar, guidance which in game can only be used againt ships so far
Pantsir already rarely finds my GBUs and AGMs as-is, cause I launch/drop from 9000 meters, above its third-person lock functionality, and its search radar seems to have issues with that angle as well.
This has been from A LOT of testing as well as in-match experience.
I understand MANY people have had their ordnance intercepted, and all I can do is give my parameters for launching weapons at tanks and Pantsirs in ground RB [I usually ignore SPAA as targets since they’re not useful for winning the match].
Seem you don’t even know how Brimstone even work FnF still better than laser and Brimstone have dual mode which mean they can be guided by both radar FnF and laser
assume that Pantsir don’t even play the game slow missile like AGM65 gonna get shoot down eaiser than other with that speed and need a lot of work to make it outrange pantsir in GR7
while SU-25SM3 don’t even need to put any afford (well apart from jet that what it is)
then it skill issue on pantsir side that don’t even keep an eye on radar
Radar not picking up bombs/AGMs is not their fault.
Guess who doesnt have that problem
TWS maybe? (only two SPAA in the game have it) and 80degree of radar coverage if they can’t picking on radar it their fault Mav are slow and bomb even slower can’t pick them with TWS is real skills issue things like ITO don’t even have TWS to do that
While I disagree, and while the results of hours of testing bomb and AGM launches from every tech tree against Pantsir has resulted in inconclusive results, there was once a time when Pantsir could see ALL ordnance [release version].
However, from the testing I’ve done, it can’t do that anymore.
You do realize that whatever debate tactic you’re using isn’t working… If you don’t understand what the devs were saying I suggest you put it chatgpt to explain it to you.
So have I, and anyone have used them will understand that it’s not effective at long range, especially if it there’s a competent enemy pantsir.
You gotta quote me on where I implied the KH38’s aren’t effective standoff. the Mavericks are similar to the 38’s but not the same. The KH38 also includes IOG which is good if the target pops smoke (as missile closely approaches) when it’s close to hitting the target. But that’s beside the point, it’s the flight characteristics which makes the mavericks struggle at range.
This is why looking at the stat card doesn’t give you the full picture. Read the spreadsheet: Guided weaponry data (in-game values) Honorable mention for Jaek_ for making amazing videos on missile on YouTube If you want to reach enlightment, then you have to spade the Italian heli line, no talisman/ premium/ boosters - Google Spreadsheets
@HondaCivici
IOG only matters against moving targets. Smoking prior to moving means it goes to the static location.
On top of that, trees block IR, they don’t block radar [currently].
And KH-38s still “suffer” the same flaws as the AGM-65D/G for locking targets as they’re all IR guided.
And yeah, that spreadsheet is what I used against your posts; that spreadsheet disproves your posts’ claims.
Well while I understand that radar guided AGM still not a thing in this game at least they should make Brimstone use IR seeker FnF as place holder (like they did to PARS3 long ago) but also able to switch to laser anytime for more accurate
Not just straight up Hellfire seekers it look dumb if it gonna be guided by just laser then at least it should have range around 30km