What Extra armour? You mean the 5mm of Structural steel?
Mk10 at 9.0 also has the L23 and LRF.
The only difference of note to the Mk10 is the better engine.
Worse Armour, for a better engine
or Better engine for worse armour
its a fair tradeoff
if the Chieftain Mk.10 had its proper 852ps maybe it would be 9.3, but right now its just 760ps
Besides, Chieftain 900 still very much plays like a chieftain, it is NOTHING like Khalid, 33% horsepower nothing like Khalid
Besides, you haven’t even played Chieftain Mk.10, you wouldn’t know how it does to comment on it
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M60A3 TTS are all 9.0 and as good or better than the Chieftain 900 lmao.
Seems like cope to me.
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“as good or better” lmao I want what you’re smoking
Tell me, what makes them better? Their lower speed? Less hp/tonne? Less armour? Perhaps their lower penetration across all ranges and most angles? Or maybe their higher profile is your thing? Do you prefer the slower vertical traverse?
The leaps of logic to defend the superior victim mentality of some British mains is astounding
Aaaand I know all I need to know lmao.
Ironic coming from someone that barely ventures beyond Germany in terms of ground.
You calling me a nation main is cute.
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Me looking for where I ever said that…
Your reading comprehension isn’t great, is it?
That tracks.
Can we get a word on fixing some issues with saphe that can overpressure?
Currently the overpressuring of vehicles still happens if the round does not penetrate as long as the round lands close enough to a plate that is thin enough for the kinetic pen to go through, even when the explosive pen can’t.
For example: The m247 can overpressure the turret face of a chieftain because the round’s kinetic pen is 38mm, which causes the game to think it can go through the 28mm turret roof section right near the turret ring. This still happens despite not hitting the 28mm plate directly alongside the saphe of the m247 having ~6mm of explosive pen.
Same could be said for you, I’m not the one saying that 105mm DM33 has worse pen than 120mm L23 at nearly all ranges and angles.
Mhmm, because all TTS have DM33? Because you didn’t say
Don’t be moving the goalpost to some M60A3s are better now lol
“Most” would be better, fair enough.
Regardless the Chieftain 900 is fine at 9.0, it’s just Leopard player cope to think otherwise.
No AB also not need this flawed mechanics in this implementation. Priorities are good, inability to stop repairs and other damage control not.
Quicker reload
better gun handling,
Thermal,
much better Sights
M774 is not much worse than L23 (especially as spall on base L23 is very naff) (and DM33 is straight up better)
armour on chieftain bar the turret is extremely naff,
M60 is actually more nimble and can actually traverse its hull effectively (much needed for the maps we commonly see
the top speeds are effectively the same (0.3mph)
.50 cal which is always handy,
M60 is physically smaller and has a turret closer to the front, giving it an edge in the urban combat we commonly see)
all the chieftain 900 has is better turret armour and straight line acceleration, in other aspects its roughly equal/worse
They’re contemporaries,
Khalid, T-72A/M, KPZ-70, ZTZ-96 being all being quite a bit Better or equal in most categories
and 10.3 will bend it backwards, what less hope does 8.0 have of fighting a Chieftain 900 other than a XM803?
Blame Compression, not the Chieftain 900
besides, all 8.0 MBTs can still penetrate the basic Chieftain turret if you take not even a lot of time to aim, ESPECIALLY if it is HEAT. Their issue is being Unstabilised, which affects them fighting EVERYTHING not just Chieftain 900
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Objectively false
First gen, which is effectively useless at a BR without night battles
Very subjective
And armour on the M60 is worse. Let alone the armour of essentially any other 9.0.
False, the M60A3 has 14.3 hp/tonne vs 16 for the 900
Are you forgetting the .50cal spotting rifle? Or perhaps don’t know the M60’s .50 is in a cupola with very limited traverse rate?
Again not true as we’ve seen. Not to mention acceleration and turret armour are some of the most significant performance metrics for an MBT particularly at that BR.
You’re never going to guess what I think about the BRs of these vehicles…
I’m blaming the Chieftain for perpetuating compression. If your argument is “oh no X vehicle can’t go up because of compression, too bad it will compress the BR below it” then I’d say there’s a pretty obvious flaw in your line of thinking.
If you take nothing else from this and want to keep yammering around in circles, listen to this: When Gaijin adds a vehicles on the edge of being overpowered for its BR, and the playerbase (that’s you) supports the BR being lower instead of higher, compression is not only allowed to continue but encouraged to exist. Complain about compression all you want but if you don’t fight it on the front of individual vehicles you are contributing to the problem.
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its not crazy when you remember that you have a jaguar with Magic-2s in the same BR and the Su-25BM with R-73 at 10.7-11.0 soo… no its not crazy its fine.
The chieftain is not better than its contemporaries.
They are slower, have shit reload rates, mediocre gun handling at best, near useless armour, and to top it all off, at an extremely compressed br meaning they often fight things like the kpz 70 or t72.
The only chieftains that are competitive at their br are the ones with apfsds and rangefinder. And considering that the newest chieftain being added is essentially at worse Khalid with even worse survivability (one of the only things chieftains tend to have going for them) I would not be surprised if they needed some extreme decompression to be viable.
Whereas something like the m60 tts is still slow in some regards, they would otherwise be much more viable to play.
(and the 50 cal on the m60 actually works as a 50 cal and not a glorified 7.7mm)
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Easy Reference Table for Dev Server AA Ranges:
| Range Before (km) | Range After Next Update (km) | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Calibre | AI Max Aim | AI Max Attack | AI Max Aim | AI Max Attack |
| 12.7-15mm | 2.5 | 2 | 1.5 | 1.5 |
| 20-25mm | 4 | 3.5 | 2 | 2 |
| 28-30mm | 4.5 | 3.5 | 3.5 | 2.5 |
| 37-47mm | 5.5 | 5 | 3.5 | 3 |
| 52-90mm | 7 | 7 | 5 | 4.5 |
This is a positive-realism change I think. A couple historical effective ranges from NavWeaps for comparison:
0.50 BMG M2 (WW2): 1400m
20mm/70 Oerlikon: 1200m
1.1"/75: 1000m
40mm Bofors (US, no radar): 1370m
40mm Bofors (US, radar): 2300m
40mm Bofors (UK, no radar): 1200m
40mm Bofors (UK, radar): 2300m
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@Smin1080p_WT
When can we expect the addition of spall liners for high tier Chinese vehicles? It’s been 2 years. When spall liners were added to select vehicles in December 2023, players expected the eventual addition of this module to all vehicles which had this technology in real life. Immediately following the release of the “Air Superiority” update, players researched and wrote several bug reports concerning the absence of spall liners on Chinese vehicles.
These reports, which confirm proper spall liners rather than weaker alternatives on Chinese tanks, were all accepted or considered for extra evidence soon after their posting. However, there has been no official statement on this issue since. Now that work is once again done on spall liners, could this topic be considered?
This issue is but a small number of the countless mistakes in the depiction of Chinese vehicles in War Thunder, yet none of these have been addressed. To Chinese players, accurate modelling of Chinese vehicles is much more important than any subtrees, copy and paste vehicles, or even new domestic vehicles in-game. Therefore, it is best to address these longstanding player concerns.
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to save the thread a wall of text
explain why, stabilised, and better traverse rates, with the same angles, it should be clear it has better handling
Still a Thermal, which while poor, does aid in spotting targets
7 - 8x vs 2.6 - 8x, same zoom for sniping, but much better zoom for the CQC we commonly see, this is not subjective (at 2.6x zoom it has 2.6x the FOV of the Chieftains minimum 7x zoom 11deg vs 29deg)
Most things can pen any other things regardless, Steel armour will only save you from a poorly aimed shots. Composite is the exception and neither have composite
read what i said, i never said straight line mobility, it is more nimble, it can traverse its hull in a pivot faster than a chieftain, giving it an edge in CQC that we see all too often
the .50 spotting rifle with only incendiary and no AP? the one with 1/2 the pen of a rifle calibre? and isn’t even present on Chieftain 900? That one?
you rarely need to move directly in a straight line, and with APFSDS + HEAT-FS at these BRs the armour will save you from little, where arguably the ERA of the TTS (US) helps it with HEAT-FS
You’re asking for Decompression as a whole, until decompression occurs the Chieftain is a 9.0 vehicle, not a 9.3
BR Compression works both ways, yes its a bitch
Chieftain Overpowered? Holy cope
Gaijin does with BR as they want, if it is actually OP it eventually go up, the only time play opinion matters is if it is marginal. Gaijin mostly isnt stupid
Current logic says, Chieftain Mk.10 same BR. More mobility, Less armour fair trade-off
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Yeah I’ve been asking for it since 2019 lol