there are gun cams of F-4s showing the F-15 in them
that dosent mean that the F-4 is a better fighter than the F-15 tho
its an age old tale in fighter aviation where the new fighter gets beaten in an exercise against an older fighter
simply because the ppl flying the older fighter have more expirience
the only 4th gen in game that can beat tomcat at 13.0 in a 1v1 dogfight is the jas39A literally nothing else cause until the F15A got the AOA button the F14B could match it
F-2A
F-16A
Su-27
ive beaten every plane on there in a 1v1 the F2 is only exception since its newer i havent fought it very much
winning a 1v1 is no indication of a planes flight model
debatable for the early Migs
but definetly for the 29KR
13.7 btw
didnt they get buffed recently?
yes but it wasnt a huge buff, not enough to make a major difference for FM tierlist imo
the F-2 has a way better flight model at 13.0
you could also add the EF and Rafale since they are also 4th gens
im just listing stuff at or close to 13.0.
if i counted every 4th gen it wouldnt be like top 20
i mean he said that the F-14 wins against every 4th gen besides the gripen
hilarious, i think even a super hornet could take an F-14 in a dogfight
the super hornet isnt a good example because it overperforms as hell in WT
we know that it performs worse than the legacy hornet IRL in basically every point regarding flight performance
meanwhile WT:
regular hornet seems to be underperforming a bit as well which makes it look worse.
even with fixed performance it should still be able to beat an F-14
and to be fair, 60% fuel on a super hornet is a whole lot more than on legacy
the biggest issue is the time to speed
at 5000ft the superhornet manages to do it in less than half the time
so it either dosent have enough drag or too much thrust
might be drag, as it gets higher the gap closes a good amount
damn that guy
the fires don’t actually kill the bomber and you can just keep flying
the only reliable way to kill them is pilot or control surfaces which is a huge difference from IRL
