I didn’t mention rate fight there if you can see, but you straight up sort out to ad hominems
Then you all wonder why I “insult” you.
The F3H2 turns inside most stuff that aren’t Venoms.
What, cause of planes that exist at 9.3-10.0?
Proof
It’s abysmal and slow, the only reason it would go up is from the missiles
F-6C (China) | War Thunder Wiki MiG-23BN (Germany) | War Thunder Wiki MiG-21 SPS-K (Germany) | War Thunder Wiki T-2 | War Thunder Wiki
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It’s abysmal and slow, the only reason it would go up is from the missiles
F3H slow? It’s the fastest 9.0. What do you even mean? It even out accelerates the f106.
Proof
Defyn’s videos of him rawdogging everything one circle with the demon? He’s got two vidoes of that at least, and his kill reports didn’t change either regardless of the missile buff.
Cause i only “insult” by posting stats and saying that “if you’re worse than me you shouldn’t talk about it” after you call me schizo bad player, f’er and skill issued. The dog won’t bite your leg until you kicked it. So in reality, you are the first ones to break the law (and actually do it). I STG my account got on hold because I replied to someone with “mommy pick me i’m scared” who literally called me a schizoid and that mods should deal with me. If calling someone mentally ill and a shitter is not insulting but saying “mommy pick me im scared” or “ur an amogus” is, then there’s something very wrong with this community.
And back to CA27 discussion.
DoA.
Next.
Nice, you just flagged this comment (pasted) without having any false information or nonfactual events. Please point where did I ACTUALLY insult any of you. I dare you. Only ONCE.
Do you really have any kind of solid proof that ‘I just flagged that comment’?
Don’t try to pin this on me.
This is cheap defamation.
Well, this is off-topic, and you might deal with this with PM instead of publicly posting those.
Moderators thought you insulted, then you got two days of suspension, no?
Yeah… it seems you have a different definition of ‘insulting’
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It seems you have no interest in discussing CA-27 itself.
And this topic seems to be a duplicate of your ‘F3H complaint’ disguised as a ‘CA-27 complaint’ if we consider that your statements are focused more on F3H than CA-27.
Also, I never knew an Anti-Meta jet could score good stats. /s
Oh, don’t play ‘I am playing good with a bad jet doesn’t mean it is a good jet’ trope, which you always brought up when you are yapping about F-5C.
mineLo and GreatAlonso submitted their own stats. no?
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- Your plane turns better than mine
- Turn was completed due to outside factors, not performance
Da yis, this is totally strictly an attack not a statement of reason.
This is like the 3th time on this entire forum I’ve ever replied to you dude, what obsession lmao, do you think I’m someone else?
You are once again acting like I’ve been in this thread for more than 3 posts, you claimed that the F-16 will be defeated in a one circle by the F3H-2 which is just not happening even at low speeds since the F-16 will always be able to sustain more rate than the F3H-2 can. Cool you can point slightly better for like 2 seconds, then you are a brick, there is no one circle if your engine is just not there compared to your competition.
Its almost like the plane with almost 40k FPM more climb rate and around 3000 Kgf more of thrust can manage it’s energy better, imagine my shock.
Once again, loosing any rate fight in a F-16 to a F3H-2 is a certified skill issue.
Color me not surprised since you are exploding over a minor point made by someone you seem to be mistaking for someone else.
Poor accel and mediocre top speed, this is a basic fact
That is not a feet worth remembering
Because they’re not very smart nor good, so they wouldn’t have the ability to judge speed and pursue actions accordingly.
Hell, Even I, a ground main with a massive skill issue for air battles, is maintaining a positive KD (somehow) in the CA-27, despite the little time Ive spent with it.
Citing a DEFYN video probably hurts you’re argument more than it helps, for the record. Citing extremely skilled YouTubers who can make anything work is hardly fair. That’s like saying since Spookston can get a nuke with the M4A2 75mm it should be 6.7
not saying the F3H is fine, just pointing out a flaw in your logic. Hope you have a good day
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Yeah… it seems you have a different definition of ‘insulting’
This is it, the problem is within the community and not me. Thanks for proving my point. Apparently calling someone mentally ill despite posting solid proof (and have great players agree with them) is NOT an insult but calling someone an amogus is as bad as the R word, nice to know.
Can I continue talking about the CA27? Alright, the plane is NOT meta because it’s an endurance rate fighter and endurance rate fighting is NOT meta, we all know this, you know this and everyone who flies meta knows it’s not a good plane. Having to edge the flaps constantly because the thing has a wider turn radius than an f-4c is not funny, having to constantly force ratefights nobody is taking is not funny, having to aim guns that barely go 500m/s is not funny and having to cope with f3h’s is not funny. Sure the CA27 outrates them but first of all the f3h needs to ENGAGE in a ratefight but it will very likely not engage and the ca27’s turn radius is so abhorrently large that either you will be eating the smoke of the demon or you will end up giving a gun solution to it.
Rate fighters have stopped being meta since the MiG21 was added. Like, yes, the MiG17F (shenyang f5 or lim5p) is a great dogfighter, but do you care to explain how would it face a MiG21F13? Sure, it has abhorrent rating properties, but it can choose not to engage because it is faster and mig17’s turn radius is so fat that either accidentally gets into a one circle with the Balalaika or gets left behind, this is air combat 101 stockholm and you should know it well enough since you fly attackers with more turn radius than a McDonnell Douglas 11.
Citing a DEFYN video probably hurts you’re argument more than it helps, for the record. Citing extremely skilled YouTubers who can make anything work is hardly fair. That’s like saying since Spookston can get a nuke with the M4A2 75mm it should be 6.7
I’m citing a video by defyn where he says the demon is cracked with or without missiles. The Demon is OP and everyone who has half a neuron knows how to play it. The F3H literally wins the Mig19S in the vertical because it turns so damn tight. And it also has four of the best 20mm’s in game that have insane range, insane velocity, no drag whatsoever and great damage. This aids more because the CA27 needs to lead its guns into the fourth dimension while the F3H needs no workarounds either. And you’d be surprised to learn that the f3h2 actually outrates the CA27 too as long as both are above 600ias. Which given the nature of the gamemode one should actually well sit above 900 ias if one doesn’t want to get pelted.
we go back to when i say that the sea fury, n1k, j5n2, ki83 and everything else sucks but nobody plays, i have very high stats on these vehicles, yet many of you told me sea fury is good, n1k is good etc. and we have defyn videos of him getting 8 kills in those vehicles while saying they’re not good. With the F3H is different, he says its’ completely busted when spaded in every single iteration he uploaded, makes sense that it’s basically a T tail F4D which is on its own also an absolutely cracked vehicle.
Judging by the insane stats on ca27 from other people let me remind you that there’s people who spade through golden eagles and play in mockup battles before taking the vehicle for a run, or that they kill bots and they don’t want to admit it.
Sticking to the same “rate fighter wins always” argument is stale and inappropriate cause even in certain ratefights there’s more to go, like how the f-4e outrates the mig21bis at super high speeds but loses in every other aspect. The concept of outrating is EXTREMELY easy (finishing a turn faster than the opponent) but most people don’t know that in practice is something extremely complicated and just think that solely holding energy in maneuvers is a sign of being good in rate fights when it’s actually a whole palette of shades of grey.
Some planes can outrate at certain speeds, like how the MiG19S outrates the J7E between 1000 and 900IAS while the J7E outrates it at broadly any other speed
The F4U-4B outrates the 109K below 560IAS but at higher speeds the 109K outrates it
The CA27’s peak turn radius is at 600IAS where it also completes it’s fastest turn circle but who engages at 600 IAS at 9.0 plus? Even if you outrate most stuff at 600 ias there’s planes that despite finishing the circle later than you, turn tighter, like how placing yourself on the yak3u with a zero behind and trying to outrate it, it’s not going to work, why don’t you apply the same logic to these BR’s?
Besides the fact that nose authority is always going to win over ratefight performance, the trick is simply not following up planes with good engines or not entering a ratefight. They will struggle to put guns on you but once they pass through your flight path, a small movement of your mouse can grant you a funny reversal kill
As someone who played the Demon extensively before the AIM-7C buff, I can safely say that if you are in a CA-27 (or pretty much any fighter) and lose a 1 vs 1 against a Demon, you have a massive skill issue.
It has an anemic engine and falls out of the sky after two turns, the only good thing it has going is that it is a very stable gun platform. If you want to bring up a Defyn video, go look up his old video about the demon and you’ll get a clear picture. https://youtu.be/2kvVbhkztp0
Also about the AIM-7C, the buff turned it from a gimmick into a skill check missile, it can be easily avoided if you are in any fighter and you have a modicum of awareness. Just treat a F3h like you’d treat a Mig-21s.
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Your argument that high instantaneous turnrate, high aoa and small turn circle allowing you to one or two turn enemies is better in the ARB meta is valid. “Pure” dogfighters like the CA27 will win against a F3H in a pure dogfight.
However your argument rests on the pilots ability to end the fight right after the merge. Most people don’t have such aim, so they take longer and that makes the energy part worse. This plane can be used to end fights quickly (which is very important for ARB) provided you have good aim.
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The aim 7C is better at range than the R3R, Has less drag. Thus it can pull more at longer ranges not to mention higher G overload. After its been flying for 4s it turns better than the R3R. R3R is a short range IR missile with a radar seeker. Its only useful at close ranges in headons. You can hit targets 12 KM away easily with aim 7C if they don’t maneuver. After it stops burning the enemy has no idea a missile is coming and if there is clouds or bad spotting then they wont even see the F3H coming. Also its CW meaning chaff wont even work
I agree with what you say about the FM.
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I mostly meant staying low and not climbing AFK. While the AIM-7C is kinematically better than the R-3R, it can still be avoided pretty easily from what I have seen, especially if you are fast enough to dodge it while it’s engine is still burning.
I have played the Demon a bit on Friday and on Saturday, so I was pretty late, and it was getting spammed a lot. I feel like it is overwhelming because everyone is playing it, not because the plane is that good. Probably will have to go up in br a bit.
No leading-edge wing slats like the F-86F-40 or the Cl-13 Mk.6
Though, on the flipside still gets AIM-9Bs and ADENs over other F-86F Sabres.
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the CA 27 is still superior. Maybe not in a ratefight against an f40 but probably going for energy fighting.
Your argument that high instantaneous turnrate, high aoa and small turn circle allowing you to one or two turn enemies is better in the ARB meta is valid. “Pure” dogfighters like the CA27 will win against a F3H in a pure dogfight.
However your argument rests on the pilots ability to end the fight right after the merge. Most people don’t have such aim, so they take longer and that makes the energy part worse. This plane can be used to end fights quickly (which is very important for ARB) provided you have good aim.
This exactly. The F3H is a horrible endurance dogfighter, but it is a great blitz dogfighter, nosing around while barely maneuvering and dealing with enemies in quick one circle turns. The F3H might outrate the CA27 if both sit at 1000kmh but if the CA27 is slower it WILL outrate a faster F3H and a slow f3h will only have chance if it goes one circle vertically counting on the speed bleed and engine thrust. However, horizontally, the CAC sabre will turn INSIDE the Demon and that’s pretty much how I learned to engage demons cause forcing a ratefight will make them simply disengage.
As someone who played the Demon extensively before the AIM-7C buff, I can safely say that if you are in a CA-27 (or pretty much any fighter) and lose a 1 vs 1 against a Demon, you have a massive skill issue.
In a pure 1v1 uninterrupted the CAC sabre will dump it on the demon, but in a normal air RB scenario where there’s many enemies around from both sides, going one circle is more convenient than rate fighting. This is why MiG21s and Mirages go so strong first then get killed by slower, stronger dogfighter planes like MiG19s and Crusaders.
Also about the AIM-7C, the buff turned it from a gimmick into a skill check missile, it can be easily avoided if you are in any fighter and you have a modicum of awareness. Just treat a F3h like you’d treat a Mig-21s.
“Skill check” like having 10km of leverage in a pseudo look-down acm mode that doesn’t even reach ground clutter and you get killed when you least expect it? Sure thang, try flying something as fat as an F-100d, an F104, or an F101 or any subsonic aircraft.
A valuable skill check however is engaging in a ratefight against a slower fatter sabre when you can read the enemy’s flight path and go into a vertical scissor to win. This is how I win in su25 against f-5s by forcing them go one circle to slow down until both planes have similar TWR and turn radius where su25’s positioning will matter.
Idk how exactly Ca-27 Sabre is anti-meta. For the first dozen of matches I couldn’t get around it, but when I realised what the hell is its acceleration, turn rate at 600-800 km/h and energy sustain, it is an incredibly busted plane (until you face AIM-9G/P to your rear-aspect or AIM-7 if you are too high)