The BTR-3E1 should keep its thermal sights

Hello, and welcome to my discussion of the inaccurate removal of thermal sights from the BTR-3E1 in the Thai subtree in Japan’s research tree in the ‘Heavy Cavalry’ update.

I have already talked about this before in the Machinery of Discussion page.

I am talking about this as I am Thai-Irish and it disappoints me that a Thai vehicle is getting nerfed, let alone artificially.

And kind of unrelated to this topic, but Thailand looked for a different vehicle to the T-84 Oplot-T due to delivery issues, and decided on either the T-90S, K1A1 and the chosen VT4, meaning that the Royal Thai Army could have operated Russian tanks, along with having proposed ordering Su-30s in 2004.

This is a screenshot of a declassified document mentioning the thermal sights of the vehicle, with one translated in English, one translated into Russian and the original Ukrainian document.
While it is for the Shturm-S turret, which despite having some differences with the Shturm-M, It appears most of them are visual differences and have none or minimal difference in performance.

English translation:

Russian translation:

Ukrainian original:

Instead of this nerf to the thermals, I would recommend changing the number of Barrier ATGMs from 6 to 4 based off official information from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence as shown below (circled in red):

Sources

Spoiler

ODIN (has information based on declassified military documents)
ODIN - OE Data Integration Network


Source of the declassified documents for BTR-4 and BTR-3 (In Ukrainian):
https://.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/%D0%92%D0%9F-7-0003.01-%D0%A2%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F-%D0%91%D0%A2%D0%A0-34-%D1%82%D0%B0-%D1%96%CC%88%D1%85-%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%84%D1%96%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%86%D1%96%D1%96%CC%88.pdf

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It is very weird that it lost its thermals, especially considering how there’s plenty of footage on youtube of it having thermals

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  1. ODIN is not a reputable source in the slightest
  2. You’ll need the manual for the Shturm-M
  3. IIRC, the change was made based on a Shturm-S manual, so you’re most likely out of luck. If that’s what it says, then there are no thermals.

I’m not sure if it is the same as the domestic version or if Thai exports gained thermals but I’ve seen a video by the thai military where i’m pretty sure it had thermals