There are no tradeoffs with 75mm AP vs APHE. The velocity is the same, the reload is the same, the pen is actually marginally worse on the AP compared to the APHE. There is not one single benefit or tradeoff to using the AP.
I love having to mantlet T-34s one crewman at a time, thank you for your exceedingly valuable comment.
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Nah. Sometimes you get two at a time. Clearly it’s just a skill issue.
why do people dislike various nations having strengths and weaknesses?
Everyone expects a 1 shot kill also.
This isn’t Wargaming,
Vehicles are meant to be modelled accurately
This is a step toward greater accuracy
The complete lack of Filler in any QF 75 M61 shot is erroneous, all the vehicles in game with the QF 75 were late enough in the war to receive the post rectification Fuzes and thus filler
Nations do have strengths and weaknesses in game, but historical ones based on the doctrine of the era,
there is enough difference from basic vehicle design to not need Erroneous “strengths and Weaknesses” (only actually ever a weakness) to give a nation a flavour which is already served by vehicle design
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People voted against making APHE historically accurate, if they arent going to do that and make APHE balanced vs APDS, then the least they can do is make sure everyone has APHE
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- Because it’s ahistorical for those tanks to be without an APHE round.
- Because that ammunition is present in the UK Tech Tree, but limited to vehicles of US origin.
- Because all three of the Big Three (USA, USSR, Germany) have no issues whatsoever having their historical APHE ammunition, and benefit quite well from it.
- It’s not even just the Big Three;
Spoiler
USA
Germany
UK
China
Italy
France
Sweden
Can you see a weak link?
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*cannons of US origin
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what do you mean?
There was a proposed change to how APHE is modeled, to make it more accurate:
People voted against it
APDS is apparently modeled to be “accurate” but APHE is not
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Ah yes, that ugly duckling.
Honestly, I would rather have done the damage models correctly.
They need to one-tap us with APHE while we need to poke crews one by one.
Maybe because of these goddamn “Tech-tree uniqueness”.
Bollocks…
Uniqueness for being inferior. How marvelous.
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Someone seems to really hate the Churchill Mk VII.
You seem to not understand that the only reason these tanks that have this gun, are this low in BR is the very fact that they don’t have explosive filler.
If you wish to try “having fun” in your Mk. VII at like 5.3 (judging by how high the Jumbo is with a 12,7 and more mobility) and get trashed on by Tigers that’s your choice. I prefer the current status quo.
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I adore the playstyle and challenge of the Churchill VII, I probably spend a few hours every week track-and-barrel torturing tanks who underestimate it.
That said, it would be more (but not unreasonably) competitive with its historical ammunition. It’s not a big change, and for Churchill VII in particular I can simply point you to the armaments manual and show you that this ammunition should be available.
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No matter how you decide to slice it Churchill will not be 5.0 material even with APHE
Compare it to the KV-1 '42 Klimi, or the KV-1 ZiS-5 (if Churchill VII were to get APHE)
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Much worse Mobility
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Marginally better Firepower
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Much Better Armour
factoring them in makes them equal, as mobility is key in how war thunder operates, and with how abysmal the Churchill Mobility is, it gets hit HARD
(if double diff comes to the Churchills this would change, as they could keep most their speed in a turn, rather than immediately halting, and their mobility would just be Poor, not abysmal)
or if we compare it to the 5.0 M6A1 and KV-85
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MUCH worse mobility
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Much worse firepower
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Much better armour
The Churchill VII is Not equal to these.
and this isn’t even including the mediums at 4.7/5.0, which all are wholly superior,
such as the VK 30.02 which has MUCH better Mobility, a Gun that can pen it easily with relatively little aiming required, and armour itself which is impervious to the Churchill VII frontally apart from Turret corner which can be hard to hit properly as long as you don’t sit still
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Jumbo 75 isn’t a 5.7 material either. And guess what.
Heavy tanks that require some thought to be put into killing them by default will have higher server stats which 9 times out of 10 leads to them getting severly overtiered like aforementioned Jumbo 75, IS-6 and alike
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This Jumbo?
Yes, the 5.7 one.
I’ve heard that the 6pdr also used proper APHE, was this true? is it APHE, ABC, APCBC, what was it? and how hard would it be to get it to later 6pdr users