Yeah, If BOL got fixed, then the F3 wouldnt necessarily require that loadout, but should certainly be considered. Its the F3 Late which becomes non-optional imo.
imagine using JAS39A with skyflash at 13.0
Almost read this as F-4FG1.
Yeah, the F-4JUK has worse flight performance due to the worse engines. It should probably be the only 11.7 PD F-4. It’s not as good as the American and Spey Phantoms.
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I mean it’s fine at 12.0, it’s not hard to play, it’s just a lot worse than the other F-4s and is on part with the MiG-23MLs. Drop it to 11.7 or give it AIM-9L and HMD
considering hornet is 12.7 and is much better, i doubt J(UK) would be good
I play it and I do fine
Every time I see the F-4J(UK) topic.
With every neglect which Gaijin showed us.
as one of those who has F-4J(UK) bought at full price.
I am just wondering when F-4J(UK) goes straight up high to 12.3 BR, thanks to the extra British tax.
We had four options which Gaijin could apply
A) We can lower the F-4J(UK)'s BR compared to counterparts like F-4J/S, which has HMD/AIM-7F/napalm that gives advantage when grinding TT
B) We can keep F-4J(UK)'s BR in 12.0 but sending every other better jets higher with decompression
C) Give AIM-9L, which is the key IR missile of RAF and was in the historical loadout of our Phantoms. It might be compensation for worse SARH.
D) Just give VTAS HMS, AIM-7F and Napalm bombs to make it a C&P version of USN F-4J. I know it is lame, but then balancing it will be a lot easier because Gaijin can use F-4J/S(USA)'s data directly.
But Gaijin decided to choose none of these.
E) keep F-4J(UK) suffer while it shares the same f-ing 70$ and same 12.0BR with F-4S but acts significantly worse either A2A or A2G in ARB. nothing but just for billing British Tax.
In this rate, as a joke, I can expect F-4J(UK) will go up straight up to 12.3BR and tie up with MiG-21Bison, Kurnass 2000 and F-4EJ Kai. :/
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I simply do not understand why this gets brought up so frequently.
Even though HMD/HMS won’t affect much on the F-4 platform as long as it doesn’t have an IRCCM missile with Thrust-vector, I don’t think having extra features hurts.
I was mentioning it because of nothing but difference between F-4J(USN) and F-4J(UK). :P
You’re a minority in the whole HMS situation. I think you just don’t understand how much of a help it is to do off bore defensive shot when defending and enemy is out of your line of sight. If you’re that godly and never need to defend, then you’re excused from any HMD topic unless you just want to think you’re better than everyone.
Because even if it’s not always useful , it’s one of the things that you don’t think you need it unless you need it.
I got little experience in F-4J but in my games because this :
is not always possible
and i’ll add with RB gameplay and given what you have to go against, even avoiding dogfighting is not possible (unless your team is pretty much stomping the opponent) , if you get used to HMS it saves enough time and energy to be worthy of mentioning it.
And saving time and “clicks” is way underestimated. The less you stay on a target, the more aware you are.
And if it saves you even a second in a firing solution , it worths it.
Yes it’s not amazing , because of the missiles , but still is good enough to make you 1 sec faster and/or play with your positioning more freely.
Thats not my argument whatsoever, stop putting words in my mouth.
My argument for this entire time (which you can see if yoh scroll up) and even in different topics (which i can link), is that missiles aviable to F-4J/S get little actual use out of HMS.
95% of both sidewinder and sparrow launches would happen exactly the same with or without HMS and the remaining 5% of launches dont justify portrayal of HMS as some giant advantage over not having it.
Its impact on overall playstyle of F-4J/S is minor.
Sheer anecdote on your part though. I understand you don’t want your OP premium getting up tiered but ain’t like this dawg.
My main issue with the f-4juk is the RWR tbh.
The Skyflash are alright, their range is pants but they do get the job done. The lack of agile eagle can make rolling around aim-7fs a bit harder but it’s doable (this is probably a skill issue on my part tbh). I find the speed adequate as I never try to get to a base with it anyway.
But man, the flintstones would be ashamed of that RWR. It cannot detect some bands of planes you face and trying to listen for the double beep and evading when it’s going nuts with all the pings in a match adds to the cognitive loads quite a bit.
I greatly prefer the fgr2 to the f-4juk. I could see the f-4juk going to 11.7 and keeping the Fgr at 12.0.
I am a masochist though, I’m looking forward to the tornado f.3 after all.
Should I just buy bison if I do want to grind UK?
The bison is great, although I prefer the phantoms weirdly enough. I find the small amount of missiles on the bison to be a bit too limiting as I have zero trigger discipline.
You can wing rip the bison in a straight line which is a bit annoying whereas the phantoms never overheat and I’ve never wing ripped one. Ever.
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I played J-7D extensively to grind the entire CN tree so I know what I’m entering playing a MiG-21 with 4 missile.
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No, you should just go play a nation which is worth your time.
- Yes. If you want to grind British, MiG-21Bison is a solid option. either A2A or base bombing
Don’t waste a penny on F-4J(UK). - By the way, I am unsure that you need to buy Bision if you consider top-ranked jets only. British air TT’s Golden Age are stopped in Spitfire, and Eurofighter can also be accessed in German/Italian TT.
- Buy bison if you really want to grind British.
I kinda don’t like american top tier, russian top tier look ass, German top tier is very stunted, Japan and China are grinded through, France is just… idk. mirage fest?
Italy looks fun but no way in hell im going in with 11.0 attacker, Sweden tree looked like a tree with very little return, and Israel… I like Kfirs but the EoL are just US tree part 2. there is no way in hell i’m going to do it.
Britain at least have some fun prospect.