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Btw isn’t that btvt.info image public?
I cannot confirm this. Btvt claims that all technical characteristics of BM Oplot are unclassified. He has provided this fragment of the order from the ministry of defence:
But as I said, I cannot confirm the unclassified documents part because not all orders are stored online and I cannot find it. Although this order number and date are definitely real because I have seen this order referred to in published works about BM Oplot. Where they mention this order as when the tank was adopted into service.
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pretty sure the thai manuals are classified
Probably are
I’m pretty sure they are indeed classified, heard it from somewhere and I’m pretty sure myself.
Analysis of armour, pretty much sums up most things, I wish it was in English, but it can be watched with auto-translated subtitles.
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tandem era providing the same chemical protection as relikt is plenty dumb already
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Honestly I feel that the BM Oplot-T is still better than the T-72B3A which is at same BR. Sure the Oplot does not have a hard kill APS but that’s situational at best while the Oplot has a better reload, better reverse, better armor, about the same firepower and a power to slight ratio which is only 0.5 tones less.
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It also has better forward speed.
But it shouldn’t be compared to tanks with APS. They are always but one step higher than they would be if they had no APS. If we ignore the APS, then T-72B3A is a 11.7 vehicle. In comparison to ‘flagship’ 12.0 vehicles: BVM, 2A7, etc, the Oplot is lacking.
In any case, The best way to balance it in game is to give it realistic armour rather than moving it to 11.7.
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Anyone know why the T-80UD has 10mm thicker sides than the oplot if it’s based off the UD itself? It lacks around 50-60mm of armor on angled side shots because of it.
It has been reported but not accepted or rejected yet.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ahc99oCVOHNG
I hope this does not turn into another case of the devs nerfing the tank for no reason and then demand documents to prove them wrong.
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what is your opinion on this?
apparently the spacer/dampener between the individual ERA elements is made out of rubber (or any other dampening meterial)
gonna dig for the original source
@Segment any idea where those are from? i believe you were the original poster
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IIRC you can report the answer as sort of appeal. I think this one right here is perfectly reasonable situation to take that answer further up
Wow, so I was indeed right the dampener was made of HHRHR*.
But again, it is quite weird: how come, say, even 30mm of rubber reduce the efficency of the second layer of Nizh by ~80% when compared to the first layer, that has to defeat 15mm of HHRHA instead?
And by the look of things, devs sticked to construction/soft steel instead, which, again, kind of misses the point of “historical accuracy” that they stick to so much, especially when it comes to Oplot.
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High Hardness Rolled Homogeneous Rubber, Ukrainian development, to be used in Ukrainian tanks specifically
Edit: the second page with materials mentioned is also somewhat weird. Never knew patents are editied in a way whereas the whole description is one long ass sentence converted into wall of text. Complete source would be nice.
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I mean this looks nothing like the Duplet used on Oplot, they have very little space between the elements. Oplot’s elements are more spaced out. Plus we have images from the factory and blueprint where we know what is between the elements.
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You stubbornly refuse to understand that the ERA contains steel.
The Nizh has at least 60mm of steel (15mm top plate, 15mm bottom plate, plus 30-50mm steel overlays on the upper glacis plate).
If you take the most optimistic estimate of the Duplet’s steel, it’s 66mm. This is hardly more than the Nizh (and most likely less, since the Nizh has a 50mm ERA plate, meaning 80mm total).
The thick plate above the Nizh’s ERA significantly reduces its effectiveness, since it needs to penetrate its own armor upwards, so the difference between a 15mm top plate or 50mm is significant.
Based on all this, it’s entirely possible that the difference between the Nizh and Duplet is ~12.5% against KE. However, the difference is very significant against Tandem HEAT, which has been given resistance in the Duplet.
Uhh… what? Idk whether you even understood my concearn, but what I stated was the dampener supposed by “official sources” is made of matetials like rubber, not soft steel like devs portray.
Now, you somehow try to prove me wrong stating there is 50mm plate that indeed should absorb most of Nizh hollow-charge effect.
Please, take a look at what you wrote and what I was referring to:
To you, [9] looks like 50mm plating, or am I tripping?
You were simply wondering why Duplet doesn’t significantly improve KE resistance compared to Nizh.
I tried to explain this.
In fact, the damping between the layers can vary, and I’m not sure whether this directly confirms or refutes this. However, the patent depicts a layered material, like the photo we saw of the inside of the Duplet, which has 4-5 layers of material inside a steel box.