Well said, some of us use games as coping mechanism from life
RNG and lotteries in general in WT should be kept at silver crates maximum
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- Violation of the Core Contract of the “Battle Pass”
The essence of the Battle Pass mechanism is a clear, predictable exchange of value*:
Player Investment Money (purchasing bp levels) and a significant, sustained amount of time and effort (completing challenge tasks).
to obtain all the listed, certain rewards on a clear roadmap.
This model is successful precisely because it removes pure randomness and gives players a certain goal. If you invest, you are 100% guaranteed to get the reward. You calculate your “cost” (time, money, forgone research and Silver Lion earnings) based on this “certainty.”
- The Timing and Method of Introducing “Randomness” is Deeply Unfair
Gaijin’s critical mistake was: They introduced a massive random reward at the midpoint of a system that was supposed to provide deterministic earnings.
this “randomness” becomes a betrayal of the contract. It devalues our “certain investment.”
It makes the returns we obtained through various investments of money and time easily accessible to others.
This directly harms two core player investments:
Time Investment:The nearly uninterrupted 90-day “grind” experience is completely invalidated by a random event. Your opportunity cost (time you could have spent researching lines or earning Silver Lions) becomes meaningless.
Financial Investment: many players essentially prepaid to unlock battle pass rewards. Now, the “exclusivity” and “value” of this track have been diluted.
3.Why the Official “Winning the Lottery” Argument Doesn’t Hold Water
some ppl(potentiallly benefitting from this bug) attempt to downplay this as “someone won the lottery, you should be happy for them” is a complete diversion, avoiding the core conflict.
The lottery is a zero-sum game: Someone wins, meaning more people don’t win, but those who didn’t win initially didn’t invest anything beyond the price of the lottery ticket.
The Battle Pass is not a zero-sum game:Your reward itself is certain, but someone else’s “luck” directly erodes the scarcity and sense of value of the reward you earned through effort. You didn’t “not win the lottery”; you are someone who “was supposed to win for sure, only to find out someone else won the jackpot for free.”
A more appropriate analogy would be:
You, like many others, paid full price and waited patiently in line to finally buy a pair of limited-edition sneakers. The next day, the store announces a raffle giving away 100 pairs of the same sneakers for free. Would you be happy for the winners? Probably not. You would only feel that your act of paying full price and waiting patiently suddenly seemed foolish and worthless.
I actually watched my playmate getting an is-7 coupon(soldable) this year on the scene, never felt unfair for that. But i feel my interest damaged in this incidentsoldable.
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And now you are straight-up LYING to us.
You cant “accidently” press “claim” on every bp reward and then “accidently” buy out the entire wb shop.
When something like this happens with GE, Gaijin always reclaim all bugged GE, leaving person who used it, in debt. And then demand to pay this debt with real money.
I cant find the post now, but, on reddit, there was a case where one player got about 300k GE by server error, and wasted it all to buy out entire US tech tree. Guess what happened to him.
How is this different from GE situation I mentioned above? If people are mistakenly awarded by GE they surely have all posibilities to use it later as well, LOL.
Only difference is that “GE count” is one single easy to track value and bp levels with wb shop stuff are impossible to track down.
Gaijin is not lettng people to keep the stuff because players had no malicious intent in it (it’s actually the opposite, I saw many posts on bug report service with people saying “My bp bugged to lvl250 but I’ve already claimed all stuff ololololo guud luck to track every single warbucks LMAO”), but because Gaijin have no way to rollback everything, and probably dont even have backups.
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stop drinking vodka when coding
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If you are still resolving the pass issue, please reply.
The pass is my only motivation for playing the game.
I am not envious of the exclusive items obtained by other players, but I am angry about the devaluation of the items I could have sold.
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What a mess ! Please be fair about the imbalance of those that got lucky and those who still have to be loyal and earn the pass by normal time and effort means. Because the way you have devised the battle pass it affects the next battle pass ie getting for free using coupons, the warbonds shops using free war bonds to buy the shop and the marketplace when you can sell the vehicles earnt early and price can be effected due to availability. It is a royal mess.
Side issue with the battle pass is that. If you play solely arcade it is near impossible to get the battle pass task The Making of a Legend . 12 kills is a hard task in Arcade air naval or ground. Please correct me if I’m wrong by publishing the stats of how many completes it in arcade only. Really it makes not a difference when some people got thousands of levels free.
There is no blame for a bug or exploit or hard feelings for those who lucked out. Just make it fair please.
At a time when a naval event with far too high a 45k grind. When naval is in a bad state and desperately needs rethink and more players. It’s quite infuriating that this happens to battle pass aswell.
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then maybe you should stop yapping?
This is the most ironic thing, a company that has been operating for many years, conducting tests and experiments near weekends without any contingency plans, even if such accidents have occurred multiple times, there are no on duty personnel.
In the face of sudden major public opinion and accidents, there is no responsible person to come out for emergency appeasement, nor is there a temporary meeting for discussion, allowing players’ public opinion to ferment in the community, and relying solely on community administrators to release some seemingly plausible conclusions.
As an ordinary and rational person, I certainly respect the right of every staff member to work and rest. But have Gaijin and his manager respected each and every one of us players? Have you respected every penny we pay? Have you respected their own career and work?
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if There’s a promblem that make everybody receive free 10000 ge on any sunday, guess if there will be working clerk rather than “on vacation”
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Please explain what in my posts have been lies.
That’s not what happened though… those that got the bug didn’t have to press ANYTHING for it to still be there after the fix. A player that logged in, saw the bug, got scared and logged out immediately without clicking anything, didn’t claim anything at all, would still have the levels and items available after the fix when the logged back in later again.
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1000GE， Programmers will be ordered to fix it next Monday; 10000GE， Programmers will be pulled out of their homes by managers; 100000GE， The leadership of Gaijin will gather managers and programmers within an hour to hold a military court, and then immediately execute them in court. Of course, no matter how much the amount is, this company must be impatient when doing these things, after all, it’s harder to see players make profits than they lose money themselves
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This is the second time I’ve bought the Battle Pass, and I planned to grind my way to Level 125 to sell (the rewards) afterward. You should know just how difficult and time-consuming those tasks are—how much energy they take. I’ve wasted so much time slaving away at this, only to end up with the marketplace prices crashing.
It’s like if I worked hard to earn 10,000 yuan, but then someone told me the bank printed money and gave hundreds of thousands of yuan to some people for free. The inflation that followed would make my 10,000 yuan worthless in an instant. This is nothing short of economic fraud. Is this how you treat players who’ve spent their money, time, and energy? It’s an insult and a slap in the face.
As a player with 2,000 hours logged, I honestly don’t know how to keep going with this game anymore.
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Lie, because, as person above said, people were logging in before fix to try to trigger the bug. Not all of them succeed, but still some of them did. Also many people affected by bug started to claim rewards and use them as soon as possible, hoping that it makes rewards less likely to be recalled.
Also you are implying that people did nothing wrong by keeping and using bugged stuff, which is untrue as well, since such behavior is explicitly stated as violation of TOS. All previous cases of similar events, like GE situation i mentioned, infamous “Premium time debt”, or RP bugs, resulted in bans and recalling of unfairly obtained ingame stuff.
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It would be quite literally impossible to tell if a person logged in to “try to trigger a random bug” or just logged in as normal to play.
The Community managers have explicitly stated that it is okay for those that experienced the bug to keep the things they got.
I have not stated any of my personal opinions on the matter nor anything on what i think should or shouldn’t be done.
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Since the incident has already occurred, why can’t Gaijin Company offer the players more compensation? Is it a difficult thing to offer compensation? This is extremely detrimental to players who have already obtained the battle pass and have spent a lot of time completing daily tasks, special missions and challenges (for example, me. My battle pass is already level 99. This was all done by myself and without exploiting any bugs).
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I feel the same way, all the tasks can be really exhausting and frustrating at times. I always buy the battle pass afterwards, because three months is a long time and anything can happen in the meantime. But most of the time I manage to complete it. If there won’t be any meaningful compensation for everyone, I’ll probably stop playing for a while. There are some great games coming out this fall anyway
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You don’t have to argue with him, let alone try to gain his understanding. People with different positions and interests are almost impossible to reconcile and compromise with.
We should not attempt to win the debate on gaijin’s forum, this is their territory, their one-man court. The only things that can make us win are our wallets and online time, after all, we cannot take them to court, and it is not easy for consumer protection organizations to punish them, at least as a player far away in China.
Every statement we make on this forum and in this post is not meant to win, and I have no expectations for it. Instead, we strive to make every rational and passionate player of this game see Gaijin’s arrogance, greed, and foolishness clearly, and encourage everyone to vote and take action for their own benefit.
In our country, leaders have once said ‘criticism cannot replace weapons’ and’ people are not born to follow you '. I don’t know if there are any predecessors in Europe and America who have said similar things, but I think this is not difficult to understand. I don’t want to make any personal threats against Gaijin, it’s too low and unrealistic, but my wallet will serve as my weapon and play its rightful role. I also advise Gaijin that your unique creativity has won you a large number of players over the past decade, but it does not mean that these players will always be loyal when faced with your arrogance and retrogression.
If you simply believe that this major mistake and bug is a “lottery” that you kindly donated, then don’t think that players who have paid money and time will continue to be deceived by you, after all, there is no need to pay anything. We just need to wait for gaijin’s donation and lottery in the next pass event.
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Day 4 Working day. Have Gaijin announce anything for the one who didn’t get treated properly?
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No, so far they have only removed the news about the problems with the battle pass on all platforms except the international forum. And they are hiding or deleting any posts and comments discussing this situation on the RU forum War thunder
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Is this matter really going to be ignored by Gaijin? I can’t accept that all my efforts have been in vain. I can already predict that the highest reward for the combat pass - WZ141 - will be sold at a very, very low price in the Gaijin Market.
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