The m22 locust photo is from kibutz negba in israel.
The photo of the hotchkiss is from Kibbutz Degania alef.
Some of the tanks here are from the Yad Lashiryon museum in Israel.
And why would you get the Merkava 3?!
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There are 1 or 2 vehicles that I would like to see in the game otherwise the rest is C&P. Some could appear as premium or squadron vehicles. Otherwise I’m against the tree.
Really ?
As a Moroccan it’s definitely a YES.
I can help for the documents of all the Arab Maghreb Union’s forces.
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1+ people complain a lot about the Arab tree being repetitive but c’mon you have the CN tree which while fun is mostly copy paste and the IL tree doesn’t even begin at rank one (which Arabs can) and is a mostly copy paste up until top tier and arabs do have many unique vehicles for example the Jordan TARIQ Falcon1 and the UAE’s OTOKAR AL-JASSOR which was made in cooperation with the Turkish OTOKAR specifically for the UAE and although it might seem mostly copy paste (which to some extent it is) if you just dig deep enough you can definitely find unique vehicles from the Arab nations which fyi stretch way further than just the middle east and my idea for this tree would be to split it up vertically where different regions/areas get their own line where although you can research for ex: a Jordanian vehicle with gulf vehicles there will be many limitations (rank/amount of exp/etx…)
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These are the arab countries fyi
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Copy paste itself isn’t the issue, it’s that even the unique modifications and domestic vehicles aren’t plentiful or different enough to warrant an independent tree.
The few that are interesting and worthwhile could more easily be put into pre-existing or some other future trees.
The mentioned Jordanian Tariq could simply be put in UK for example.
Not only that, but in order to create this sub-par tree you would have to put together more countries than people have fingers. It’s very incoherent and the countries involved bicker amongst each other more than they work together (militarily speaking).
The irl Arab-League isn’t really a solid excuse for these countries to be stuck into a tree.
Yes, nonsensical additions such as Hungarian sub-tree in Italy exist, but bad examples shouldn’t be the bar taken.
In regards to the comment on Israel not beginning at rank I: they could. And likely with more flavor than the Arabs (at least for the ground portion).
Gaijin simply weighed their options and decided it wouldn’t be a worthwhile inclusion. Why would you think the arguably less fruitful low tiers for this conglomiration would get passed? There is no incentive for it.
On the Chinese comment: China on it’s own would still provide less copy paste than all these Arab countries combined.
China is and has been receiving unique additions consistently for years and are now a fair and fleshed put ground tree while also (though slowly) expanding uniqueness in aviation.
Let’s not forget that Chinese potential is sunstantially higher than the majority of countries already in game.
More unique options that would also be more concentrated than the Arab-League tree also exist: notably Czechoslovakia, Poland, Switzerland, the Koreas and Yugoslavia.
Arguments for others exist also, but I think these mentioned ones would generally draw agreement to my previous statement without a big discussion.
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What does it have to do in regards to balance lmao israel being in war thunder doesnt make the game for you “unalanced”.
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AMX-30SA DSA +
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Why do we need another copy paste tree??? 100% down voting this isn’t needed.
Neither is how this game works.
BTW- Israel has good “Arab” lineups between 7.7 and 8.3.
no, too much copy paste vehicle and theres no really unique vehicle
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+1 For me, copy pastes don’t really bother me if it gives access to some unique vehicles with new gameplay. Plus this will help the game to reach more audience in arab countries. If it gets added I may even buy the premiums.
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We have enough tree’s as it is we don’t need another one…
I mean at this pace, Gaijin is going to add the Millennium Falcon by next Christmas. I don’t really mind if they start focusing on expanding horizontally rather than vertically. Even if they’re literally ALL copy-pasted, it’s just more content and I don’t rly understand why people don’t want more content. It’s not like Gaijin is going to add fictional vehicles so might as well add every single country in the world, I genuinely don’t see the issue in that.
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Its probably better for this tree to limit to around 5 nations since 22 is an absurd amount to try and combine. I counted 13 nations included in the tech tree: Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Morocco, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Oman, UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia which is a lot.
This seems to rely much more heavily on Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, and Syria - which I reckon would make a bit better in building a tech tree but personally, you can probably leave out Iraq and Syria and still have a somewhat decent tree with those 3 nations: Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon.
You can probably also just start immediately to Rank IV similar to the Israeli tech tree since you can argue that the modern states of Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon really only came into being post WW2. Im honestly quite surprised not a whole lot more Gulf States vehicles have been added like in the case of Saudi Arabia and UAE which wouldve procured a lot of toys from the west but is notably missing, and North Korean vehicles that were bought by Egypt.
I think the vehicles listed out in the proposed tech tree barely scratches the surface because Im pretty sure theres a bunch more unique upgrades and modifications out there and you probably missed them because it was decided to combine the entirety of the Arab League itself. Aside from that, I appreciate the effort you poured into this and its probably only you that worked on this - tip, dont try to carry the burden all by yourself. Try to start a discussion page for Arab vehicles in the Machinery of War tag so you guys can slowly build out a better Pan-Arab tree.
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Did u just suggest putting ARABS as a sub tree in ISRAEL TREE!!!
Looks like a great tree! +1
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Diabolical
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I would like to have to the Arab league forces tech tree in warthunder but try to make it less copy paste. or at lest add stuff that is unique in terms of something we don’t have like one of the hybrid panzer 4 or gun swaped tanks.
for example for the spaa line
Rank 1
Spoiler
Toyota Land Cruiser HZJ75 (DShK) [Yemen]
Toyota Land Cruiser HZJ75 (ZPU-1) [Libyan National Army]
Toyota Land Cruiser HZJ75 (ZPU-2) [Libyan National Army]
Rank 2
Spoiler
HMMWV M998 (ZPU-2) “UN” [Morocco]
Toyota Land Cruiser HZJ79 (1x30mm AK-230) [Libyan National Army]
Toyota Land Cruiser HZJ75 (M55A4B1) [Libyan National Army]
HMMWV M1114 UAH (ZU-23-2) “Box Turret” [Iraq]
HMMWV M1114 UAH (ZU-23-2) “Back Mount” [Iraq]
BTR-152 (M58) 4xTK vz 53 [Egypt]
Rank 3
Spoiler
BTR-50PK [Iraq]
BTR-50P [Iraq]
BTR-50 (ZU-23-2) “Ansar Al-Marji’iyah PMU” [Iraq]
MT-LBV W/ZU-23-1 [Iraq]
MT-LBV ‘Dudul - دُلدُل’ [Iraq]
MT-LB (ZPU-23-2) [Iraq]
MT-LB (ZU-23-2) [Iraq]
MT-LBV (ZU-23-2) [Iraq]
https://i.imgur.com/GCixXlP.jpg
BTR-50P (30mm Praga PLDvK VZ. 53/59) [Iraq]
Rank 4
Spoiler
Mercedes Benz LG 315 (37mm 61-K) [Lebanon]
https://i.imgur.com/7rVXDiN.jpg
BRDM-2 (ZPU-2) [Iraq]
BRDM-2 Mahmia (ZU-23-2) [Syria]
Khatim-3 Self Propelled 23mm Anti-Aircraft Guns [Sudan]
Oshkosh M-ATV (ZU-23-2) [Yemen]
Oshkosh M-ATV-BTR-80A Turret [Yemen]
M809 Series 5-Tonner (57mm AZP S-60) [Yemen]
you somewhat get the point
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