Pbv 302 (BILL) Should get "slbrhpgr m/95" (APCR-HEI-T) and maybe Scouting?

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Hallå! SWE / Hello!

Polls at the bottom

I’d like to bring up the Pbv 302 (BILL) and its 20 mm Akan m/47D cannon in War Thunder.

At the moment, while the BILL’s missiles are fairly useful, the cannon feels underwhelming. Its low penetration and weak post-pen damage make it frustrating to rely on. Since this is likely the only Pbv 302 variant we’ll see in-game, because of the original model’s poor gun handling, SPAAG role, and limited stopping power, the BILL effectively has to represent the entire Pbv 302 family.

(Aside from the UDES 08 prototype with the Mauser MK25E.)

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Proposal: Give it the slbrhpgr m/95 round.

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This round fires at 910 m/s, compared to the 885 m/s of the slpprj m/68. While the penetration increase (47-57 mm) is modest, the better velocity and HE-I multipurpose effect would make the cannon more practical, especially against light vehicles and helicopters.

It’s also historically accurate: the Akan m/47D still uses this round today on the Pansarterrängbil 203A. Importantly, it wouldn’t overshadow the BILL’s missile role, but would instead complement it—finally letting the vehicle do justice to the Pbv 302 family.

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The bug report for the round is here: Community Bug Reporting System

2nd Topic: Scouting for the Pbv 302 BILL

  • Fast and agile: Top speed of 66 km/h, with quick acceleration for repositioning.
  • Amphibious: Able to cross rivers and water obstacles for forward positioning.
  • Lightly armored: Rewards cautious play, focusing on spotting rather than direct combat.

At its BR, Sweden lacks effective scouting vehicles. Giving the BILL scouting ability would fill an important gap and enhance its team utility. The Pbv 302 BILL is fast, amphibious, and lightly armored, but struggles as a Fighting vehicle. With the slbrhpgr m/95 round and scouting ability, it would become a much more effective support vehicle. Accurately reflecting its real-world role.

Edit note: Smoothed flow, clarified phrasing, tightened repetition, fixed formatting, and improved transitions.

Some optional videos of some of the Pbv 302’s crews daily Training experiences.
(Swedish Crewed, Peacetime-Training)

Sammanfattning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCIqG0JmNE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcbrqvmT1Xc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntk70osFwQk

Polls:

Would this be a reasonable addition?
  • Yes
  • No
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Should the Pbv 302 BILL get scouting?
  • Yes
  • No
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Thanks for reading! I think these addition’s would make a small yet positive difference for the Pbv 302 BILL^^

Edit: Fixed the pen of the new round.

Sources:

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if this round acts like aphe then my vote goes to NO
we either need a partial aphe nerf for small caliber rounds (since the full on rework was rejected), or less full auto aphe shooters

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have you seen m/47d in action? its firerate is awfully bad, combining it with penetration of 48mm will barely change anything

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That’s not APHE. It is a HEI round with inserted tungsten core.

Essentially less of an HE rounds due to some of explosive being replaced with APCR, but in the first place the fuse will be triggered, like HE, and only then APCR would go in action, not vice versa like APHE

Here is the cutaway of the round in question

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thank you for the response, you have won me over haha

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This is one of the weirdest rounds i’ve ever seen and i love it.

So does it at impact first act like an incendiary explosive round, then milliseconds later there is a sub caliber penetrator WITH BOTH high explosives AND incendiary explosives around it that goes of in a secondary explosion??

Or is it more like the explosive around the penetrator goes off first and the penetrator then travels through the incendiary explosive and brings the incendiary inside the tank with itself??

I’m so curious to know more here.

ps.
The name “spårljusbrandhalvpansargranat” ( spårljus-brand-halvpansargranat ) roughly translates to: “tracer-incendiary-semi armor piercing high explosive” which is a bit odd since it explodes before penetrating but other “halvpansargranat” are more like APHE if i have understood things correctly.

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Well, as you can see on the cutwaway, explosives and core are separated, and at the moment of explosion of incendiary filler in the nose (that fuses before APCR contacts the armor), the separated explosive filler would be triggered “outside” of the tungsten core and APCR alone would go further because, well, it is pure APCR, not APHECR

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Impact ignites the incendiary filler in the nose, which then causes the incendiary in the shell body to ignite and detonate the explosive filler.

If it impacts an armor plate the explosion will occur on the outside, with the flash of the incendiary following it through the hole, otherwise it will just act as a mix of AP and HEI against softer targets like vehicle structure.

It’s a true dual purpose round, with AP, incendiary and fragmentation effect.

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If anybody has been paying attention to the comments this is NOT an APHE Round. Instead a HE chell with a Penetrator inside.

Simply put.

Its Multi-Purpose Ammunition

You can use it as an Basic AA HE-I round. or as an HVAP

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Thanks for the info, i was mostly confused as there isn’t a clear “fuse” so i was unsure from which end the explosive shockwave started and in what order the explosions started. I understood that it exploded on impact and that all explosions happened outside the target so it was just more of a question if the initial explosion started at the bottom and pushed the penetrator forward through the incendiary in the nose while that exploded or if the nose incendiary went of first and the explosives went off a little later when the penetrator is closer to the armor.

I’m sort of assuming that both the fillers are impact sensitive then and goes of almost simultaneously at impact and the penetrator then makes a hole while the explosion is still burning around the outside which creates a sort of “vacuum” that draws the fire inside (not that that is the intent but i’m guessing it happens as a biproduct of everything happening al at once).

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