I think aim120 should not be weaker than aim7 in terms of close range performance no matter what
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Russia’s R77 to R77-1 have been significantly strengthened in almost all aspects, and I don’t think the increase in AIM120A/B to C is reasonable, whether based on game balance or reality
是啊，俄罗斯的R77到R77-1在几乎所有方面都得到了显著加强，我认为无论是基于游戏平衡还是现实，AIM120A/B到C的增加都是不合理的
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anyway，Everyone can know that he is a Chinese who uses AI translation.But the question he responded to was indeed correct, wasn’t it？
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The Hornet is mid at best, mediocre at worst. The stats accurately depict it’s performance.
It’s easy to deal with and is incredibly inconsistent to fly.
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How’s it incosistent to fly ? ive yet to ahve issues with the 18A (which should be 12.7)
The hornets stats are extremely skewed though, as you know most US stats are due to the fact they are on both teams.
Half the games you just don’t get to do anything. You are almost entirely dependent on the flow of the game.
It’s mediocre at BVR, the EFT, F-15E and F-15I outperform it massively in that area. It’s mid at close range, the Rafale murders it in that area.
So if you try to do BVR most of your games your missiles barely do anything, either the missiles are easily defeated or the EFT&F-15E/I have already taken all the BVR kills. The majority of those games you just spend chasing the battle.
If you try to get in close you can do okay as long as you don’t meet an enemy Rafale. Although the EFT will give you a run for your money.
Best playstyle for the Hornet is to try to sneak into the middle of the map at ~5000m and drop down on players within ~16km, but again if your team is good you will generally just arrive too late.
The 18A actually has decent flight performance at 12.3, at 14.0 the 18C(late) not so much.
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Same as most planes at top tier bar the absolute meta ones then?
the EFT ? does not out BVR the F18, as my experience has went, I can barely get a missile out past 16 KM at all.
Shock horror, the 3 top best platforms at top tier aka the meta, make the F18C not meta.
All of those (and su30) should be higher than 14.0 realistically, im sure we had this discussion a while ago, ARB should really be hitting the 15.0 mark , or at least 14.7 and allow things at 13.0 to breath as well as the less favourable top tiers.
Look at the gripen for example the F18C beats taht in almost every way bar sheer flight performance for dogfighting, in which case you aren’t doing that much any way
Again, the Rafale is compressed into the 18C, the 18C’s issue isn’t that its 14.0 the issues its literally unable to move down due to the quantity of missiles it has combined with its relatively decent flight performance.
and sits with literally the best jets ever to have graced war thunder BR for BR, it makes zero sense why its so compressed.
yet here we are.
And btw the top tier cluster F*** is absolutely horrific no matter if its in a Typhoon or a damn F18, the additions of all these planes and ARH missiles with absolutely zero changes has pretty much ruined what they are and should be.
It absolutely does lol. I have played both of them and 20-25k missiles are doable in the EFT because you can actually go high and fast.
Hornet can go high and not fast or low and not fast. SO it’s BVR will be shitty regardless.
When those 3 of the 4 best performing platforms cover 5 are the mayority of 14.0 than it is quite a big thing.
THe Hornet is mediocre at best at 14.0 and shouldn’t be the same BR as the EFTs, F-15E/I and Rafale. But seeing as all of these currently are 14.0 we have to compare them as same BR vehicles.
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You cant get the TWS to lock properly at all, and the actual PD lock breaks far, far too easily, teh gripen is far, far better for BVR in my experience than the typhoon.
I wouldn’t say mach 1.04 isn’t fast, it aint meta fast, but its still fast enough to sling off an amraam.
No it shouldn’t and I wont even argue that it should be on their level, but bear in mind not a year ago we barely had the F15A introduced, never mind all these fancy new toys. they really need to crank the BR limit up
Maybe I’m getting lucky, but I didn’t have that much trouble with the EFT tws locking. It surely has problems with updating, but I usually found it at least managable.
It’s slow as shit at 14.0, because most jets will be doing mach 1.2 or higher at that BR.
And sure you can still sling amraams off at that speed, but they will be the easiest thing in the world to defeat. I can’t remember that last time I died to a Hornet in BVR.
no its Snail’s pace as far as slinging fox 3s goes.
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Its got teh single worst top tier radar, Hell most 13.7 radars are better.
even teh gripen has a better locking radar especailly for TWS.
I cant remember the last time I died doing BVR, cause at the end of the day regardless if its a hornet or not, if you keep your speed at about mach 0.95- 1.05 you can effectively notch almost if not every missile in a long range situation.
Hardly.
I will take the EFT with an iffy radar over the Hornet with a less iffy radar every day of the week.
You can keep thinking (coping) that the hornet is not mediocre at bvr, but I think you’ll be in for a rude awakening later down the line.
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The 120c5 performs very poorly in the current game. It cannot utilize its full 35G overload capability due to its terrible AOA and rudder effectiveness. Fighters can easily evade this missile with simple maneuvers. At this point, it feels more like a long-range guided rocket than an actual missile.
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i used statshark to fire a aim120a at a target going mach 1 at 5000 meters of altitude(both) and i got a time of 41.1 seconds to target. doing the same at mach 1.4 gave me a TTG of 37.3.
in the same conditions aim120c-5 had a mach 1 ttg of 39.4 and a mach 1.4 ttg of 35.8. speed is so important that if you fire a aim120a from a faster aircraft it will outperfom a aim120c-5 from a slower aircraft.
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Considerign the F18C can sit at mach 1.10 try it at that.
also Ill say this once
as per the devs on the russian forums, stat shark is not reliable for discerning any form of FM or missile capabilities
As well as this, the F18C has ten AMRAAM’s. so it can fire more than once and crank out. its radar is better pretty good as well.
It’s radar is pretty average. Similar level as the F-15 but still miles behind the different esa radars like all the other mechanical radars at top tier.
I guess if we strap 10 amraams to an F-100 and give it the Hornet radar it would also be a good bvr plane at 14.0?
This “muh 10 amraams” is legit the number 1 cope point that people use to proof that the F/A-18C is supposedly a good bvr plane. If missile evasion would give rewards than the Hornet would have at least 1 benefit in bvr: giving the enemy free sl and rp.
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You compared it to the EFT, the EFT radar is statistically the worst top tier radar ingame RN
The F100, is no where near as manueverable, or as fast.
You sound far, far too emotional over it mate.
Considering its the next top tier im actively working into right now, skipping over the F15C just to see how it ismyself.
I seriously doubt the 18C is that bad, people here just like to be extremely dramatic over it.
Like that comparisson with an F100 with a hornets loadout?
thats bull n u know it is xDD it may not reach mach 1.2 but itll still do fine at top tier, considering most the time im not flying past mach 1.14 anyways.
so yeah. I’m gonna stop here and move on mate.
I just hate it when people use bad logic. It is statistically the worst 14.0 and those statistics reflect reality. It’s incredibly mediocre when compared to the actual 14.0 aircraft.
But yeah this is just something you’ll have to find out for yourself.
EDIT: yeah the F-100 was a bit of a overreaction. Something more realistic would be the F-4F ICE, which has a similar radar and has a similar flight performance.
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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/3EJG7s3lbGMe
I’m pretty sure that the AIM-120C-5 will remain as it is now
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