AIM120A/B nerfed times in several updates due to gaijin just hate them, making them the worst FOX-3 missiles. Now the same done to the AIM120C5, gaijin said they are “restoring”, what a joke. Additionally, gaijin are trending to buff something that preforms awful in reality, not only Russians but also Frenches, u see, rafeal and mica almost played a funny role in recent India-Pakistan conflict thinking of Indians are often bad at wars and weapon maintenance, however, the frenches like to exaggerate their military at most circumstances, which makes me wonder if the french-made weapon is so good as they claimed? Back to the AIM120s, they should be “restored” as snail they called themselves do.
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It just reflects that this chinese does not speak english are willing to doing something good and fair to aim120c.
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Does Gaijin mean that the AIM-120c5, which has undergone multiple upgrades and added a dual-pulse engine, is sometimes inferior to the A and B models?This is not a reduction, it’s pure discrimination and disgusting players. Your RFL is broken in India and needs to be strengthened. Do you want to add a button to make RFL a one-click victory?What’s more, the intentional weakening of the C5 missile to this extent will be a major disaster for the new SPAA of the United States, greatly reducing its air defense efficiency. Is it still necessary for us to continue playing this game?The Su-30 has to fabricate the non-existent KH-38 to mount on it, and the RFL fighter has fabricated a ridiculous MICA missile. We don’t need to play anymore. Is this how the United States, as the first air power, is characterized?I am filled with great anger…
Gaijin的意思是经过了多重升级增加了双脉冲发动机的AIM-120c5有时候还不如A和B型号吗？这不是还原，这是单纯的歧视与恶心玩家，你的RFL在印度被打烂了还要再加强，要不要加个按键让RFL一键胜利？更过分的是c5导弹被有意削弱成这样将会是对美国新SPAA的大灾难，会大大降低他的防空效率，这样子我们美国还有必要玩下去吗？Su-30都要编造不存在的KH-38挂载上去，RFL战机虚构加强还捏造了一个很离谱的MICA导弹，这样子我们都没有必要玩下去了，美国作为第一空军大国的特色就做成这样吗？我感到十分愤怒
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The based levels are reaching critical levels
Ye, what u meant is exactly what I want to say, u see.
I strongly agree with you and lets give some pressure to gaijin so they make thing right！！
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你說得一針見血
跟本蝸牛狗是從毛子的理想視角出發去看美國的東西
他媽的明明c5有更強的加速但竟然近距離可以比A和B慢，這是甚麼吃席道理
然後即使在遠距離也不過是比A和B快一兩秒。不單改掉c5的高拋軌跡還改c5的攻角
上個版本出的R771比R77加強超多
然後現在出的c5跟本不是玩家所期望的強度
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This is a little research done by DCS players a pretty enjoyable read and it does reference real sources, although the validity for game implementation is Dubious at best its a fun read nonetheless.
http://www.zaretto.com/sites/zaretto.com/files/missile-aerodynamic-data/AIM120C5-Performance-Assessment-rev2.pdf
there is some interesting stuff in there
I would like to see their sources
because even just section 3 with proper sources could be the basis for bug reports on both aim120a/b and aim120c
they list aim 120a as having a 6 second boost and 5 second sustainer while in game it is 1.7 and 5.3 seconds respectively
they also give the same duration for 120C booster but over 1000N more force
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There are references in the bottom. But still i would like to remind its a 10 year old document by a bunch of simnerds, although by my research there is a ton of conflicting info on the c-5 propulsion system WPU-16/B is a name ive seen quite a bit but i cant find anything WPU-6/B ive seen it in context of aim120a/b
I think aim120 should not be weaker than aim7 in terms of close range performance no matter what
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Russia’s R77 to R77-1 have been significantly strengthened in almost all aspects, and I don’t think the increase in AIM120A/B to C is reasonable, whether based on game balance or reality
是啊，俄罗斯的R77到R77-1在几乎所有方面都得到了显著加强，我认为无论是基于游戏平衡还是现实，AIM120A/B到C的增加都是不合理的
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anyway，Everyone can know that he is a Chinese who uses AI translation.But the question he responded to was indeed correct, wasn’t it？
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The Hornet is mid at best, mediocre at worst. The stats accurately depict it’s performance.
It’s easy to deal with and is incredibly inconsistent to fly.
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How’s it incosistent to fly ? ive yet to ahve issues with the 18A (which should be 12.7)
The hornets stats are extremely skewed though, as you know most US stats are due to the fact they are on both teams.
Half the games you just don’t get to do anything. You are almost entirely dependent on the flow of the game.
It’s mediocre at BVR, the EFT, F-15E and F-15I outperform it massively in that area. It’s mid at close range, the Rafale murders it in that area.
So if you try to do BVR most of your games your missiles barely do anything, either the missiles are easily defeated or the EFT&F-15E/I have already taken all the BVR kills. The majority of those games you just spend chasing the battle.
If you try to get in close you can do okay as long as you don’t meet an enemy Rafale. Although the EFT will give you a run for your money.
Best playstyle for the Hornet is to try to sneak into the middle of the map at ~5000m and drop down on players within ~16km, but again if your team is good you will generally just arrive too late.
The 18A actually has decent flight performance at 12.3, at 14.0 the 18C(late) not so much.
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Same as most planes at top tier bar the absolute meta ones then?
the EFT ? does not out BVR the F18, as my experience has went, I can barely get a missile out past 16 KM at all.
Shock horror, the 3 top best platforms at top tier aka the meta, make the F18C not meta.
All of those (and su30) should be higher than 14.0 realistically, im sure we had this discussion a while ago, ARB should really be hitting the 15.0 mark , or at least 14.7 and allow things at 13.0 to breath as well as the less favourable top tiers.
Look at the gripen for example the F18C beats taht in almost every way bar sheer flight performance for dogfighting, in which case you aren’t doing that much any way
Again, the Rafale is compressed into the 18C, the 18C’s issue isn’t that its 14.0 the issues its literally unable to move down due to the quantity of missiles it has combined with its relatively decent flight performance.
and sits with literally the best jets ever to have graced war thunder BR for BR, it makes zero sense why its so compressed.
yet here we are.
And btw the top tier cluster F*** is absolutely horrific no matter if its in a Typhoon or a damn F18, the additions of all these planes and ARH missiles with absolutely zero changes has pretty much ruined what they are and should be.
It absolutely does lol. I have played both of them and 20-25k missiles are doable in the EFT because you can actually go high and fast.
Hornet can go high and not fast or low and not fast. SO it’s BVR will be shitty regardless.
When those 3 of the 4 best performing platforms cover 5 are the mayority of 14.0 than it is quite a big thing.
THe Hornet is mediocre at best at 14.0 and shouldn’t be the same BR as the EFTs, F-15E/I and Rafale. But seeing as all of these currently are 14.0 we have to compare them as same BR vehicles.
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You cant get the TWS to lock properly at all, and the actual PD lock breaks far, far too easily, teh gripen is far, far better for BVR in my experience than the typhoon.
I wouldn’t say mach 1.04 isn’t fast, it aint meta fast, but its still fast enough to sling off an amraam.
No it shouldn’t and I wont even argue that it should be on their level, but bear in mind not a year ago we barely had the F15A introduced, never mind all these fancy new toys. they really need to crank the BR limit up
Maybe I’m getting lucky, but I didn’t have that much trouble with the EFT tws locking. It surely has problems with updating, but I usually found it at least managable.
It’s slow as shit at 14.0, because most jets will be doing mach 1.2 or higher at that BR.
And sure you can still sling amraams off at that speed, but they will be the easiest thing in the world to defeat. I can’t remember that last time I died to a Hornet in BVR.