That is for the Hawk isnt it? What does the Hawk have to do with the Fakour and Phoenix ?
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The Hawk got buffed wayyy more than the Fakour.
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Both missiles have been shown to maneuver in combined plane after launch rather than rolling to “+” configuration. The Phoenix is stated by Northrop Grumman as capable of 25G whereas other documentation indicates a 17G limit.
Since Gaijin does not model dual plane they are using single plane limits whenever possible. Magic 2 is limited to the single plane 35G’s because there is insufficient proof that it always maneuvers in combined plane (I think there is, tbh).
The HAWK was shown to use a guidance system limiter to limit itself to 20G whether in single or combined plane. In theory the combined plane overload is higher, but since it has a 20G limit in single plane that is the number that is used for in-game. The Fakour-90 being heavily based on that missile but using the layout for the Phoenix - Gaijin took the liberty of applying the same limits instead of assuming it should be capable of only 17G. Obviously this choice is arbitrary.
TL;DR Gaijin made the Fakour 90 20G and left the Phoenix at 17G because they felt like it, and they could.
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Fakour and Sedjeel both had 15G limit when they were added.
I.e. Fakour had the (incorrect) I-Hawk limits applied to it by the developers from the very beginning. (Because Fakour has much more in common with the I-Hawk than it does with the Phoenix, especially internally)
Hence why I used an I-Hawk document (found by @MiG_23M) to bug report both.
I took the liberty to read this thread from start to finish. (Including the entire old forum too)
Not only is it crazy that they’ve had completely valid and acknowledged bug reports about the Aim-54 that they’re just ignoring and have been ignoring for 2 years, but they’ve also kept it in a nerfed state even when superior missiles have been added (R-27ER, Fakour, All modern ARHs).
But we already know this.
The worst part is that they artificially created the “F-14 OP” movement without making the Tomcat/Phoenix combo ACTUALLY overpowered. The Aim-54 is still a trash missile.
Im so so tired of this BS. It doesn’t make sense. The F-16C got Aim-7Ms because modern ARHs were not a feature yet. So why can’t the Aim-54 get 25G overload as a placeholder until the devs decide to model dual-plane maneuvering? The Yak-141 got half of its avionics because “it was going to get it”. So why can’t the Aim-54C have ANY of the features WE KNOW it had? We have hours of footage, hundreds of docs, and bug reports dating back to almost 3 WHOLE YEARS proving this missile should be better.
Sorry for the rant. It’s just so frustrating because Gaijin takes liberties EVERYWHERE else. Eurofighter - Basically entirely classified, Rafale - Almost entirely classified. But they can’t spend 1 second to bring the F-14/Aim-54 up to a good place. (But the Iranian Fakour-90 which is entirely modeled off of Iranian media and 2 secondary sources is allowed to be great.) Complete BS.
If someone could show me how to correctly bug report stuff that’d be great. I’m tired of sitting around with these docs on my computer not doing anything with them. I’m going to force them to change the F-14/Aim-54, or at the bare minimum make them always have it fresh on their minds.
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They listen to sudo_su so talk to him
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I’ve shaved at least a decade off my lifespan by fighting for the F-14 and Phoenix on these forums.
I wish someone with a following would cover the topic, but I think the CCs know that the common opinion is so against the F-14 that they’d only get flak for it.
Maybe Zent would cover it though? I don’t know.
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Are these of any use? I was browsing some forums that weren’t in English for possible info and I found these:
It looks like missile schematics for the body and motor.
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The all up ( & burnout ) weight(s) might be useful.
Since the -54A is currently datamined (burn out) as 273kg (602lb), not the listed 290.2kg (639.8lb) at.
So it’s likely subsequent thrust metrics are wrong, though I don’t know which motors are modeled in game, for which F-14 configuration.
Though the presence of Aluminum in the mixture probably indicates the “non-reduced smoke” variant.
You dont have something that has the max fin AOA do you?
Such values could directly help with the missile’s performance even if the G loading does not get increased.
Reduced smoke propellant still has aluminum, just a far less than standard propellant.
I saw the video , i think he was ironic. The F-14 IRIAF is OP and F90s are the best thing ever , when the others try to not defend against them.
In fact there is nothing to think, he was just ironic , but people will take it as they like because they think like that… so he must say that.
I’ll try. It’s hard to find these when the forum is in a language that can’t be digitally translated.
Perhaps share a link to that forum.
TBH I’m more curious as to what language it is that can’t be translated …
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It can be translated, idk why it wasn’t translating before, but I tried again and it’s works fine.
Here’s the link: Vanjskobalistički proračun (program) leta rakete
Besides the Aim-54 there seems to be tons of (seemingly) primary sources on there.
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