Because the second you try to make anything better about this game publicly, a million dudes come out derailing the point just looking for reasons to talk about themselves or how they know everything because they found an open source on the internet that they can’t even interpret correctly.
The devs are aware of the current lack of performance with weapons and radars such as these. There is a plan to implement the missile and the tomcats radar performance when they feel time is right.
Even the flanker’s radar is not modeled for a reason. It’s purely out competitive balance at moment since a lot of the other nations do not have the radar capability and weapon range to really compete with the USSR and US heavy strategic fighters yet.
I am very certain the tomcat will get the update it needs within 2 business quarters without any community action.
Oh my bad I didn’t see your road map. Checking it out now!
Will vote. Looks awesome. I think devs love seeing this feedback more than anything.
The only thing I say is don’t be discouraged as it takes time. This is really good suggestions.
I think 2. Has the most action over of getting implemented first.
R-27ER
-More acceleration due to engine thrust
-More Maneuverability
-ins and datalink
Planes: Flanker Family, Mikoyan Family, Yak-141
I do believe the R7ER is performing fine in acceleration. I am inclined to believe it’s over performing there to a degree. Especially at low altitude. The motor was made to burn longer specifically to extend the range. That’s why the west calls them Long Burn Alamos.
They are very heavy and only reach high top speed because of the energy that is built up after burning so long. Same with the aim45. But the aim45 is severely held back in off the rail acceleration being a much lighter missile than the ER. That definitely needs to be fixed.
ER also have recently been buffed in close range maneuvering. GJ did seem to reduce the acceleration off the rail which as a result gets better performance at close range. I no longer use the regular Rs for dogfights.
These are 700lb missiles. To desire it to accelerate faster means less maneuvering at close range. The missile is not capable of both.
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nobody is bothering on bug reporting the AIM-54 anymore because gaijin devs openly disagree with primary and secondary information. No point wasting our time trying to change their mind, the AIM-54 is never getting fixed.
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Not logical. Aim-54 is not lighter than the ER.
This is the wrong mentality to have @malucobeleza171
Do not be discouraged. Continue to provide feedback as new jets and capabilities are added to the game.
Devs do not implement a lot of things yet because the game is simply because they feel it’s not ready for it. Can they overlook things? Sure. It happens. But providing feedback at a regular rate each update as a player works and what they look for.
Not telling them how to do their job and model long parameters. Nor is accusing them of a personal bias.
Your post and vote on the subject are good.
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My apologies. It heavier you are correct. but the aim54 is underperforming in acceleration.
The R27ER did not gain a substantial or really any relevant gain in thrust. It’s just longer burning for extended range. It got much heavier. It’s not logical that it takes off the rail quicker than the regular R27
Especially in the dense lower atmosphere.
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How is it not modeled?
If anything, if it were truly modeled, especially the spo15. You’d truly end up hating soviet equipment.
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Radar modes. Not precision.
The flankers radar is said to be very good. But of course. Blown out of the water by the tomcat and f14
You right.
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Like which modes?
So just modes but not perfomance?
Yeah just modes. Specifically fovs. It had a tws last time I checked. No?
It’s currently exactly like the mig29 in modes, range and performance.
Which I think we can agree should not be. But of course, it should not be modeled while the tomcats radar remains as is, and the F-15 radar be as is either.
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DCS may be correct. But the R27ER is greatly superior to the R27R of War Thunder in acceleration. Some would say its even better than the R in manueverability too.
These differences are not that great in the graph you posted if I am reading it correctly.
Additionally, the R27ER reaches its top speed almost immediately at sea level just as it does up at high altitude in WT.
Lastly. The R27ER is heavier than the R, yes? Therefore, a desire that it also become more maneuverable than it is now does not make sense from a physics pov.
What do you think? Is the R27ER overperforming in ANY degree whatsoever in WT? You sound reasonable.
I think you have to agree it’s either performing perfectly in acceleration, but then that means its overperforming in maneuverability, or its underperforming in maneuverability but then that means its overperforming in acceleration.
It cannot have both and be better than the R in every way. The missile was designed to have extended range. Not replace the R. Extending the range has drawbacks.
Radar OR RWR, good luck tovarich
lmao, what garbage xD
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I understand you have frustrations with the lack of modelling in US radars and radar guided weaponry. I do too.
But when you make comments like this, it makes devs take you less seriously and defeats the overall objective. Getting the proper performances out of the Tomcat and Eagle while satisfying the developer’s biggest concern.
Balance.
Seems to be accurate to the chart
R-27ER having higher thrust to weight ratio means it can accelerate faster into max G pull speeds and sustain that speed through the pull, resulting in better maneuverability.
I don’t have any aircraft with the r-27er which means i can’t evaluate anything by myself.
R-27R and R-27ER having same minimum launch distance. if the R-27ER’s minimum launch distance was longer, we would be able to assume that it can not maneuver as fast as R-27R at close ranges. This is not the case though.
yes, and the ER in WT is by far way faster than the R.
Are you going to sit there and say the ER is not insanely faster than the R at all altitudes and ranges in War thunder?
Or you going to say it’s the R that is the one actually underperforming?
You keep defeating your own argument and showing me that the ER and R have similar acceleration performances in DCS. But that is not how they perform in WT.
So which is it? Is the ER overperforming in acceleration? Or is it the R who is underperforming in acceleration? Because they are drastically different one from another in acceleration and immediate top speed.
The charts already show er being faster by some margin. The increased thrust to weight ratio of r-27er means it should accelerate way better through maneuvering and therefore be even increasingly faster in situations where both missiles are pulling 35G.
The chart showed the superiority of R-27ER without maneuvering. With higher thrust to weight ratio, when both missiles have to accelerate through a 35G maneuver the R-27ER will be even increasingly faster.
