The AIM-54 Phoenix missile - Technology, History and Performance

This in itself is a ridiculous assertion and it’s one of a great many in the lengthy paragraphs you wrote earlier… and completely unfounded. The AIM-54A by todays standards would be unremarkable. Nothing about it’s technology is hard to produce, and doing so would be a step back from Iran’s capabilities. The Fakour-90 is upgraded in almost every right, surely.

It’s not worth anyone’s time to discuss with someone who wishes only to personally attack them and not provide any basis for discussion period.

its so old it would be hard to make something that isn’t better with digital components i don’t understand why he thinks the Iranians can’t make better missile to replace it

The Aim54 is old but it is still a very advanced missile in which many nations still cannot meet today. Any nation that has obtained the capability has only done so very recently.

The iranian’s highly competent have proven themselves in many weapon system designs. However they are heavily sanctioned and sharing of intellectual properties as well as materials required is always denied.

This isnt rocket science

That’s a reasonable opinion. The truth is, Iran would HAVE to substitute analogue components with modern digital ones. Their AIM-54 equivalent (Fakour 90) would have to be made with similar or better parts than their upgraded Sedjil missile. Especially considering the upgrades to their MIM-23 equivalent “Shalamcheh”.

In what way, if I may ask? What way is it advanced and no one can make something that competes?

Source stating the Fakour 90 is equivalent.

It is probably better I would say.

My phone is more advanced

At doing what over the Awg9 and Aim54 exactly, kid?

didn’t say it a more advanced missile but in general-

My fist is more advanced than your phone.

Did not say at what, but many things.

Your point?

Why is this even necessary?

Can you provide an example of a nation that couldn’t produce vacuum tubes and traditional radars small enough to fit in the AIM-54 or a datalink system until recently?

You can ask daddy all the questions in the world and attempt to trip up.

Who said ANYTHING about vacum tubes, miniaturization of radars or datalink???

The fact remains the Aim54 has a capability that many nations do not have today and those who do, only recently obtained it recently.

It does not matter how old.

You are the one acting like a child with your insults

@Ziggy1989 Are you bipolar my man?

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Being aggressive toward other and saying one thing and its contrary isn’t going to advance the discussion

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You can just say that:
-The Fakour 90 is an upgrade over the AIM-54A but we don’t really know the capabilities of this missile.
-It wasn’t totally retro-engineered of the AIM-54A which the Iranian used, but is instead a continuous development of Iranian air to air missile starting with the modified MIM-53 HAWC, the Sedjil.

No need to provoke other user to “Man up” as you say.

If I’m wrong, I’ll gradly take criticism to improve my knowledge on Iranian missile. Just try to be constructive with it

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What ae you hurt about? I am not even talking to you.

Being agressive toward other and saying one thing?

and its contrary isn’t going to advance the discussion?

Are you attempting to say what I said in one comment is contradiction to another?

@_Adrien94 Appears that there are multiple models of the Fakour, the initial ones being essentially a Shalamcheh shoved into the AIM-54A frame. At least, according to the Iranian news sources.
https://iranpress.com/content/35720/fakour-air-to-air-missile-achievement-iranian-creativity

A later iteration was supposed to be fully actively radar guided. Not sure if it’s in production or not.

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Battery life is sufficient. Why would the missile have a hard time hitting a maneuvering target? Its motor has burned out and traveling near Hypersonic when it enters the terminal phase unless launched in ACM Active.

You can perform all the maneuvers in the world if the missile is Pitbull and Mach 4.5 and RWR warns, its already too late to do anything. This was a great fear and reported by the Iraqis.

Additionally, a missile is most maneuverable the period right after its motor burns out. As long as it maintains its energy in which the Aim54 is known to do and designed to do. The missile is most deadly in this phase. The aim54s platform is designed with high-speed maneuverability in mind.

The tracking of the radar and fire control was very good and should be much better in game. You even conceded that.

No, that one is based on the performance of the missile. The maximum limit of 125nm is due to battery life. It still has sufficient energy (albeit already subsonic) to hit a fast high alt and head-on target at around 150nm. It won’t be hitting maneuvering targets from 100nm.

Battery life is what limits range on most early fox-3 missiles.

That simply isn’t true at all. Missile isn’t THAT maneuverable, with sufficient warning it’s very dodge-able. Especially if you’re not in the sweet spot where it’s maneuvering at maximum G forces.

Typically when you state “wrong” you should come prepared with some basis for your rebuttal.

interesting I will look more into it and change my opinion if be the case

If you have a copy of outsiders view of the awg-9 / Phoenix weapon system it’s a good reference point but has some littered misinformation. Apparently there are some ads from Grumman as well as Hughes discussing the battery life and range figures somewhere.

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