Very late 54Cs likely received an AMRAAM seeker (A new Phoenix was in development alongside a new F-14 refresh before the Navy chose the F-18)
Nothing past the AIM-54A was ever exported, no reason for any information to be revealed since none has even leaked in the first place. No foreign operators ever used later ones and it probably has something to do with the US not wanting to give Iran any ideas as they still operate the F-14.
Ive heard the AIM-54C (or maybe it was the ECCM/Sealed version) seaker received the TWT amplifier from the AMRAAM project. I’d be somewhat suprised if it got the AMRAAM seeker outright though, since its much larger and could accomodate a larger seeker. Granted the smaller AMRAAM seeker would be a weight saving without much/any loss of range.
To this day I curse the guy who leaked Canadas involvement in helping US diplomats escape Iran, leading to Iran pulling out of the deal to sell its F-14’s to Canada…
Why not curse Iran instead? We’d probably know more about the plane and its systems and get to enjoy seeing the F-14 in cool export liveries if they hadn’t done a certain thing in the first place.
I dont have a problem with a country deposing a monarch. The unfortunate part though is that it went from a monarchy to a dictatorship, which is in effect no different. That being said, all F-14’s and AIM-54’s were going to be sold to Canada for super cheap, the deal was penned and in the process of signing when someone told Iran that Canada had helped extract US diplomats from the country, killing the deal, and I’ve heard this was done for political reasons by a US politician, though I can’t find the source for that anymore.
Aka : “We’ve forgotten about this report and have chosen to file it away.”
How is the new update looking for AIM-54?
Taking feedback at the moment.
A more aggressive lofting code would definitely improve the missile, in speed. But I’m sure the others that are active here have much more in depth feedback to give.
@MythicPi now’s your chance to put it all out there.
It would be cool if the flight profile can be optimized bit more, so that the Phoenix can achieve high speeds its known for. As currently it loses about 1000 kph in a 2 second manouver at low alt with fuel depleted, even at high altitudes it loses speed so fast.
Drag is too high, that is the primary issue. Not loft profile.
If I’m not mistaken, It also should be a 25g missile with BTT or whatever it is.
~22G, and it’s not bank-to-turn, rather just combined plane. The pitch axis is always between two sets of control fins.
Isn’t that what bank to turn is? Banking the missile as you turn to been the plane of the turn between the two missile planes?
Yes:
not only that, but from David_Bowie’s comments, Gaijin knows the AIM-54 utilizes BTT, they just don’t wanna model it because “To date, only the AIM-54 is the only missile in the WT that we believe can substantially utilize dual-plane maneuverability. All other missiles can only use dual plane maneuverability in limited circumstances.”
Also from Bowie, there are multiple sources stating 25g’s. Unfortunately, as the old forums are falling apart, I no longer have access to his sources, but gaijin very much has the info available to them regarding the max pull being 25g, they just refuse to model it as mentioned above:
This isn’t a question of needing to find sources. Gaijin knows they’re modelling it incorrectly, its intentional, hence why I refuse to bug report anymore, its a waste of time when the only things that will ever get fixed are things gaijin WANTS to fix.
There’s no point in offering feedback or new sources. If the US declassified all AIM-54 docs tomorrow and gave exact details on every change, every performance metric, etc… gaijin would still model it as a 17g piece of flying garbage.
I think most pieces of flying garbage would probably have lower drag than the AIM-54 does currently.
Any idea where that comes from? I haven’t seen this document before.1983 is also right around when the AIM-54C would have been in testing.
Yeah lemme see i can dm it to u
Bank to turn means there is only one pitch point, similar to a plane having only one vertical plane of maneuver as they are asymmetrical. The AIM-54 can pitch between any point between the control surfaces for combined plane… as well as rolls during pitch / flight as needed to maintain smaller corrective maneuvers and avoid oscillations or instability.
Bank to turn must roll the singular pitching axis towards target before pitching.
