If I remember right as well, proxy-fuses were surprisingly not as reliable as most think during this point, which is another reason for hit-to-kill
Infared iirc i have a nice source
equivalent to a 9J apparently, because they acc put effort in and “all aspect” ish from the indium antimony seeker, same kind used in 9L but less advanced
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I asked them before and they said that the info is outdated and they cant trace where its from so its not the greatest source as of right now
Be my guest to ask the swedish national archives or american
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Yes, the first AIM-9B captured by the USSR was exactly due to that - ended up nicely embedded in the back of a MiG when the proxy fuse failed. I don’t think any Falcon ever hit a MiG in vietnam without detonating.
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To be fair I think before the 9L standard missiles were very unreliable
That’s why the falcons can be added as they have the rep for being poor due to reliability which isn’t translated in game
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Would the Japanese AAM-2 also be fitting here as it too is an upgrade to the AIM-4, like Sweden’s RB28?
English language info is unfortunately scarce, but the reported specs are pretty decent. Probably about equal to R-60M in most cases.
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Yes i forgot i wanted to add it to the list thank you
AIM-4 missiles also went to Japan. The Japanese used AIM-4D and created the XAAM-2 missile based on it.
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I left them out of users because I have found only one source (AAM 2 wikipedia) stating japan even had possession of the missiles and its unclear if they serviced the AIM-4D after the AAM2 experiment
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Yeah it’s wizard and should be added to the game
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No F-102 posts? Lucky for you I happen to have made one! The Deuce - Convair’s F-102A Delta Dagger
The AIM-4 and AIM-26 are missiles we need in the game, and their inclusion will open War Thunder up to many more vehicles!
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Added it Ty
A more in-depth (and realistic) flight performance breakdown
All data from SMC (standard missile characteristics) and using ideal rocket equation for delta V. Rounded to nearest .1 mach, 1g, and 1m/s.
AIM-4A
sea level
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.2
Max g: 15g
Max speed, M1.2 launch : M2.5
Max g: 17g
10kft (3km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.3
Max g: 15g
Max speed, M1.2 launch: M2.6
Max g: 17g
20kft (6km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.5
Max g: 15g
Max speed, M1.2 launch: M2.8
Max g: 16g
30kft (9km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.7
Max g: 14g
Max speed, M1.2 launch: M3.0
Max g: 15g
SMC
TLDR:
399m/s dV
17g
M2.7
AIM-4B
sea level
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.2
Max g: 15g
Max speed, M1.2 launch : M2.5
Max g: 17g
10kft (3km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.3
Max g: 15g
Max speed, M1.2 launch: M2.6
Max g: 17g
20kft (6km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.5
Max g: 15g
Max speed, M1.2 launch: M2.8
Max g: 17g
30kft (9km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.7
Max g: 14g
Max speed, M1.2 launch: M3.0
Max g: 15g
SMC
TLDR:
420m/s dV
17g
M2.7
AIM-4C
sea level
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.1
Max g: 15g
Max speed, M1.2 launch: M2.4
Max g: 17g
10kft (3km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.3
Max g: 15g
Max speed, M1.2 launch: M2.6
Max g: 17g
20kft (6km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.5
Max g: 15g
Max speed, M1.2 launch: M2.8
Max g: 16g
30kft (9km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.6
Max g: 14g
Max speed, M1.2 launch: M2.9
Max g: 15g
SMC
TLDR:
392m/s dV
17g
M2.6
AIM-4D
sea level
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.2
Max g: 15g
10kft (3km)
Max speed, M0.98 launch: M2.4
Max g: 16g
20kft (6km)
Max speed, M1.04 launch: M2.6
Max g: 16g
30kft (9km)
Max speed, M1.14 launch: M2.8
Max g: 16g
SMC
TLDR:
371m/s dV
16g
M2.6
AIM-4E
sea level
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M1.4
Max g: 13g
Max speed, F-106 maximum level speed (M1.0) launch: M1.7
Max g: 18g
10kft (3km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M1.6
Max g: 13g
Max speed, F-106 maximum level speed (M1.4) launch: M2.1
Max g: 18g
20kft (6km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M1.8
Max g: 12g
Max speed, F-106 maximum level speed (M1.6) launch: M2.4
Max g: 17g
30kft (9km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M1.9
Max g: 10g
Max speed, F-106 maximum level speed (M2.0) launch: M2.9
Max g: 18g
SMC
TLDR:
225m/s dV
17g
M1.5
AIM-4F
sea level
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M1.4
Max g: 13g
Max speed, F-106 maximum level speed (M1.1) launch: M1.6
Max g: 14g
10kft (3km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M1.5
Max g: 11g
Max speed, F-106 maximum level speed (M1.3) launch: M1.8
Max g: 15g
20kft (6km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M1.6
Max g: 10g
Max speed, F-106 maximum level speed (M1.6) launch: M2.2
Max g: 16g
30kft (9km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M1.8
Max g: 10g
Max speed, F-106 maximum level speed (M1.8) launch: M2.6
Max g: 18g
SMC
TLDR:
240m/s dV
15g
M1.8
AIM-4G
sea level
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M1.3
Max g: 12g
Max speed, F-106 maximum level speed (M1.1) launch: M1.6
Max g: 15g
10kft (3km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M1.5
Max g: 12g
Max speed, F-106 maximum level speed (M1.4) launch: M1.8
Max g: 15g
20kft (6km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M1.6
Max g: 10g
Max speed, F-106 maximum level speed (M1.6) launch: M2.2
Max g: 16g
30kft (9km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M1.8
Max g: 10g
Max speed, F-106 maximum level speed (M1.8) launch: M2.7
Max g: 18g
SMC
TLDR:
251m/s dV
15g
M1.8
AIM-26B
sea level
Max g (M1.0): 10g
Max g (M1.5): 15g
Max g (M2.0): 18g
10kft (3km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.3
Max g: 18g
Max speed, M0.98 launch: M2.4
Max g: 19g
20kft (6km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.4
Max g: 15g
Max speed, M1.04 launch: M2.6
Max g: 16g
30kft (9km)
Max speed, M0.8 launch: M2.6
Max g: 12g
Max speed, M1.14 launch: M2.8
Max g: 13g
SMC
TLDR:
577m/s dV
18g
M2.2
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As for what the graphs portray those are very accurate, however, the flight tests contradict the graphs and a lot of it is all estimates based on what they have