Supposedly it gains both a beefier motor, as well as a second stage for the motor.
Im sure its a good missile but not convinced
Yeah, it’s says they made a financial decision and not a capability decision.
Yes ofc, but capability is still a consideration. They wouldn’t have chosen it if it wasn’t still capable of meeting the needs of the Air Force. Its no Meteor, but it’s still a very capable missile, especially with its dual stage booster.
Which doesn’t change the fact that it is in the running for last place in a discussion on range, of the missiles he listed.
It most definitely is not. It’s easily at or near the top portion of the list based on my understanding of some of these listed missiles. However I am unfamiliar with a few of them.
The I-Derby ER is very likely better than the Aim-120C-5, and missiles such as the meteor weren’t listed. I have no doubt in my mind it surpasses the R-77-1, but definitely not the R-37 lol.
You’ve been making a lot of claims. Where is proof they’re going to mount Derby ER on their Rafales instead of Meteors?
India already has Meteors for their Rafales and are procuring more, and newer sources state they’ve decided to forego on obtaining Derby-ER at all, and instead going for their domestic missiles for their Sukhois.
Save weight, service missiles appear to have an optical TDD tho.
No one is convinced.
From Rafael’s own brochure. 100km is substantially less than almost every other missile he listed, including the later AIM-120s.
It’s not a bad missile, but it makes compromises in range in order to be able to be carried on so many small platforms.
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Derby (SR) and Derby ER. You can contrast this with the MICAs. MICA NG EM is stated to be 130km in air to air, and a bit over 40km in VL according to MBDA but atleast it uses an AESA seeker.
(Ignore MR and LR, they are completely different.)
So seeing that MICA NG EM has more VL range than Derby ER while claiming to be 130km, Derby ER certainly is more in the 100-110km range.
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Another bug report:
AIM-120A/B incorrect total missile weight (Should be 342 lb / 155.129 kg) and warhead filler type:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/c3Zavuod4L8o
Bug report:
Polymer Bonded Explosives TNT equivalence (Used in AIM-120A/B):
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/dV8HeuLy4P4g
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israel uses aim-120s for a reason…
They should also order Meteor missiles if they’re not gonna get Aim-120D’s or Aim-260’s.
they recently got authorization for C-8s (and part of aircraft purchases). D-3s are only better due to improved software allowing for more efficient loft shaping or whatever the term is. they’re unlikely to get Meteor and also theres no integration for f-16, f-15 or f-35 yet but i would assume that they’ll get aim-260s.
or not, who knows. they dont really have a peer adversary to use those against
Even if they dont get Meteors they will surely get more advanced Aim-120’s, one thing for sure Usa will keep supply them against Middle East in order to keep their ally strong.
well they’re getting the c-8. imo the amraam line is ending here as there’s no need to develop an even longer ranged one when the d-3 already touches the min requirement for aim-260
Fair enough, i cant wait to see Aim-260 when it arrives.