Report for Leopard C2A1 MEXAS
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/UOhXyya9wURU
Yes they do. Hunnicutt has shown as much for the M60s. On the Abrams, they are a part of the armor modules and also incorporated between the hull. Less wear and tear when it’s not exposed in the crew compartment. Not to mention the lead lining of the NBC protection also works as spall lining.:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/1zy650/armor_technology_by_paul_lakowski_informative/
Paul Lakowski explains the spall lining in the Abrams as well.
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It’s not a spall liner then is it. If a round breaches the final layer of steel, guess what the steel fragments from the armor and fragments of broken up penetrator will go into the crew compartment with no spall liner to catch fragments, as for the M60A1/A3, no evidence of a spall liner anywhere
It catches the fragments before they enter the crew compartment. That’s a spall liner. If the interior metal barrier is adhered to the spall catching layer, it won’t go anywhere unless the spall lining is compromised. Exposed spall lining inside the crew compartment that gets compromised isn’t spall liner either, with your logic.
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Leopard 2 A7V Spall Liner Report Here:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ddZK5o0O3v2r
I believe it is better for Gaijin to not add in this new mechnique this patch, Instead add them all together for every vehicle after gathering enough information.
The thing is softer steel tends to spall less than hard steel, tanks like the abrams are using it as a sudo spall liner, which is better than nothing.
Oh, rage paint, that must invalidate reality.
I’ll trust Hunnicutt and material science over a mad internet troll like yourself. Lead and titanium have been used in spall lining composition. It’s been known that titanium has been used in Abrams armor upgrades.
Even this shows your rage paint to be your misguided opinion, lol. Look at the layers and cope.:
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Sorry adhesion and material science doesn’t work the way you wish it did? You’re the one insisting a spall liner has to be an exposed kevlar layer. Back-plates and anti-spall coatings on metal (some that look like rubberized paint that you dismissed earlier) totally exist.
Keep being mad and wrong. Your art doesn’t change anything.
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Your cope at stuff not used in armored vehicles doesn’t change the fact that the Abrams hasn’t got a spall liner in the crew comparment.
Oh, shifting the goal post now. Nice.
You dismissed rubber, paint, and even a diagram showing how adhesion between hard and soft materials is a thing and does mitigate spall.
Have fun coping and being wrong some more.
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It does work tho. Last metal layer can be exceedingly thin, and or be of a metal conposition that doesn’t spall much
In fact we have an example of this in game. 5-6mm structural steel creates 0 spall and catches spall itself. Now offcourse its a game, but having integrated spall liner that has a metal exterior does work at least on principle
Edit: offcourse proving there is a spall liner is much more difficult when there isnt obviously exposed layers
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Don’t confuse him with reality. He doesn’t want to be right. He wants to throw a tantrum and post bad art.
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Here’s that rubberized paint you laughed at earlier.:
Anti-spall curtains are usually tubes of metal stuffed with fragment catching material. You ever been inside a warship? Plenty have spall lining in the walls. Still have a metal interior. Cope.
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M2A2 very explicitly does:
Source 1
Source 2
Edit: fixed
Edit2: realizing M2 Bradley isn’t in warthunder
Edit3: interesting that the Abrams isnt noted with Spall liner in these documents
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This doesn’t defend your position; it makes you sound like a huge asshole that copes by insulting others to hide the potential weakness in his own arguments.
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What about Merkava mk4m?
No idea, just shared the ones that were shared on the CR2 thread
That awkward moment when you think Spall protection has to look like padded thongs draped around interior equipment. (A very craptastic liner btw: it belongs in WW2, thanks for the laugh)
I would like to take a moment to talk to you about our lord and savior “composite armor.”
(I have some experience with the stuff from my time in the Stryker- not everything you think is “painted metal” … is painted metal. If you get up close to it, which you never well, you’ll notice that its actually not flat smooth metal painted white on the inside. I do not know what it is, my guess based on tactile experience would be Kevlar infused composite mesh. It feels different when you hit your head on it.)
I was actually going to do a patronizing little paint graphic for you, but it’s not worth my time, so use your imagination as this has been oversimplified to aid you.
Outer Layer: RHA (High Hardness in the case of several areas of the Abrams.
Inner Layer: Non-Metal, yet stiff, Kevlar infused composite mesh. Think Paper Mache’s Rambo Cousin: “Kevlar Mache.” (It’s a good little boy that doesn’t flop around or catch moving tools like cape-dueling a rapier, nor does it spall.)
Now for the fun part: Experiment time!
Penetrating Round goes through the Steel outer armor, generating spall.
Round goes through but generated Spall is caught by “Kevlar Mache”
e voila! Spall protection without granny’s padded thong.
You are welcome.
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