Aim120a’s instead of c’s, no aim 9m’s, and still gets p’s stock. Classic.
It diabolical to called them a minor when the Taiwanese created the entire chinese tech tree.
Losing 12.7 MLU for this :(
No HMD upgrade? The US with no TWS is even more dead.
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- aim-120a’s are better for air rb then 120c
- every other f-16 adf will have 45 cm while chinese one will have 60
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It’s supposed to have 120
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Played a bunch of games with “upgraded” F16. Classic case of careful what you wish for. 13.3 = 14.3 every game.
30 chaff, no HMD vs fox 3 spam, the least fun on WT Iv experienced. RIP the 3 F16s we have lost
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Indeed. All those threads about italian ADF not having amraams and where that ended lmao.
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120 with the pods simulated as 30 Chaff buckets, 45 and 60 are the realistic amount, 45 (15 large caliber flares and 30 chaffs) for Block 10/15 (non-MLU) and 60 for Block 20 (30 Large Caliber Flares, for having 1 extra bucket, 15+15=30) and 1 Chaff bucket (30 chaffs), no reason to add that now, but, It’s Gaijin…
Stop making the game worse for realism.
In real life most jets wouldnt fight what they do ingame. Or line up.16 vs 16 actually needing the CMs in the first place. In 2025 im.pretty sure ignoring weight contraints etc you could even bolt a dispenser to a prop.
Gameplay and fun should take prioriry or we end up with more dead f16s
I mean what would be wrong if it went to 13.0?
theres no way you’re serious
60CMs + no 9Ms. NVM F16C at 13.7 having double the CMs, better radar, 9Ms, HMS, better engine, which is already one of the mid 13.7s. Those to me is worth far more than 1 BR step. F4ICE is already 13.0 with 4+4 config, and that is with 9Li. 6 AMRAAMs would be nice but 9Ls is literally a joke at 13.3, nvm u will have to use 9P for a long time.
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Ive seen video recently of someone mopping floor in 1v1 with Typhoon while he was in Netz. F-16 airframe with AMRAAMs at 13.0? Most of the ARH slingers at 13.0 have much worse FMs.
ah yes totally balanced for an F4J UK to face an amraam equipped block 15 F-16.
You’re comparing an F4F with a F-16, what are you on?
Sure the F4F has a 4+4 but the 16 can run 5+1 or even 6+0, alongside slamming the F4F in every other regard.
The ICE is also one of the stronger 13.0s, especially compared with something like the Sea Harrier or Tornado, hell even the Kfir C10.
Totally fair for the F-16 ADF to be at the same BR as a kfir right?
Then run 6 AIM-120s? F-4F can’t do that.
I’m leaning more towards moving the ADFs to 13.7, being a good flight model with good avionics and up to 6 AIM-120s.
Also because the OCU is only slightly better (IR HMS) at 13.7
However, as it stands they’re adequate 13.3s and have no right at and lower BR than that.
And thats why it’s 13.7??
The ADFs did get a radar upgrade too, if you didn’t notice.
Better engine is mitigated by being heavier, and the block 15 is also a much more nimble flightmodel, alongside being faster at altitude.
To be fair, that is willie walrus lol
The ADF is slightly worse than the block 10 flight model (Netz, F-16AJ and F-16A), but is still superior to the 13.0s
that video is also prior to the typhoon FM nerf which makes the destruction even more impressive tho
Point I was going for that even if ADF is slightly worse to 16A, it certainly is better than the 13.0 ARH slingers. Sure, ADF lacks IRCCM missiles and has extremely low CM count, but FM is superior. As you said, ICE might have more missiles, but its still F-4F airframe against F-16.
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With 9Ms still.
I get they have really good FM, but it still depends on radar, HMS, CMs, and missiles.
So? What about the F4s they already face?
That is ignoring the fact that 13.0s face a load more downtiers.
Which is quite bad at lower alts. Also what about 9Ps?
Should have either given them 9Ms or given worse loadouts with lower BR.
When it is better in every aspect?
ICE, since its Phantom and lacks HMS, would play more or less the same if it didnt have 9Ms.
Yes, the planes BR is not decided just by its FM but also its kit. I absolutely agree with you there.
BUT.
you can not discount FM as the least important either.
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Not really. I have some experience with j8F, which is like the opposite, HMS but no IRCCM, just feels dead without 2 ARHs.
Not saying they should go down with the current kit.
Not saying that. Just saying it matters less in the current meta of ARHs. Sure getting into notches are important but I generally would take speed and missiles over it.
It has recieved the PL5EII
Then what do you want here.
on the phantom and other 13.0s, the FM is often too weak to the point it affects ARB performance