Former is much better than the latter, it’s like the 3BM42 vs DM23 situation but in reverse. In this case the better round has a faster reload as well.
DM53 L/55 can also go through K5 UFPs from certain ranges so this is yet another pro, especially in a head-on duel.
Yeah, you’re consistently reloading the slowest of everyone, with only CN tanks matching your reload.
You have to be joking lol.
yeah but most tank has hull that 3bm60 or even just 3bm46 can punch through anyways so round pen at top tier doesnt matter really much since >500mm pen and u can kill most of not all the tank
Penetration always matters as it directly impacts the amount of spalling produced.
Genuinely curious if that is actually a factor. Has it ever been confirmed how spalling is calculated? From what I noticed the heavier the round the more spalling it creates. Hence Why M829A2 and 3BM60 tend to create more spall compared to DM53. At least in my experience.
For long rod darts only the residual penetration matters.
Very interesting, much appreciated!
nah not needed plus i love them in my 10.3 line up only real issue i have with them is that they are kinda slow with 850 hp only other than that they are good 10.3s for me
Which is practically showing the entire tank due to the depression of the barrel.
It also stacks everything together making it easier to hit everything once you penetrate.
Mucho mejor
Consistently slower than the rest. You cannot manually load the weapon when the autoloader is damaged.
Now try to hide, run away, or escape with 4 or 10 kph reverse.
The only tanks that go this slow are the Chinese ones, and only up to the ZTZ-99 (II and III), both at 11.0, and the M1128 at 12 kph, at 10.0.
Only the T-90M survives somewhat due to the shape of the autoloader and the spall liner.
The others are still inferior to the Leo2 (even if they didn’t have a spall liner), even more so the T-80/64.
and yet he still has many points in Leo’s favor
No hittable or upgradeable autoloader
Gas tanks explode just by looking at them, the mantlet is the worst protected, and weakest of al T-tanks
Like France, which is coaxial and not external, or like Abrams, which has 2
It can’t stop arrow ammo like the Challenger 2N and has 15° less shield elevation (try not to shoot them at ground level)
So objectively, it matters to have more penetration (above 500, where they say you can already penetrate everything) because it means even more extra damage.
So, anyway, DM53 > 3BM60
The B3A is definitely a bad tank, hell it’s one of the worst 12.0 tanks flat.
Above 570-580mm most pen differences have very little effect.
Always better to have more pen for spalling effect.
Oh dear god where to begin.
Having played T-72A, B & B1989 in GFAB, i can safely say there is a significant increase in survivability going from the A to the B’s. The B’s get:
You call this a small difference?: sure 30mm in flat pen at 10m isn’t stellar, but 71mm at 60 at 10m is a significant upgrade. this round is better then what most 10.7 get, with exception of:
At 10.3 you can still feast on 9.3 MBT, you know:
Leo1’s, AMX 30-2, M60, Centurions, Merkava 1’s, Type 74 and the ZTZ96 (which stands the most chance, since it has armor and an even ever so slightly better round then 3BM42.)
Sure at 10.3 you face strong opponents, but not many TT have 11.3 vehicles, USA has a few and JPN for as long as the type 90,s stay at 11.3 (Type 10(p)) was already raised to 11.7.
Now the 10.7 have the fun of not having much full down-tier vehicles to fight against, but have the misfortune of facing the plethora of 11.0-7 premium and or Squadron vehicles. In a full uptier the Leo2A4 faces MBT which have rounds that are on average 169mm better at 0 degrees and 98mm at 60 degrees at 10m.
AT 9.7 there is a chance that you can face vehicles without stab, APFSDS.
In my view a modification of a second gen MBT (T-72B 1989) during the production of third gen MBT (leo 2, M1, etc), should be at the same BR. Especially if the tank is given a more powerful round and K5 ERA, while for said third gen better rounds were available and used (DM33, M883).
But Gaijin choose otherwise and so did the USSR, Russian Federation, with the multitude of Modifications for T-72/80/90 not once have they changed the transmission, while changing the engine.
Gun elevation angles are restricted by the design, you can’t tell me a 30kpg reverse speed gearbox is so much larger then a 4kph one.
to close off, sure up-tiers suck and are more common during events or after an update, but guess what join the club, unless you play 12.0, there is always the chance for an up-tier.
I just stop for the day if this happens or change my BR and see if it’s any better there.
Yep, dont understand people saying 3BM42 is bad round.
IIRC around 2020 or 2021 it even had more pen, rivaling that of DM33 fired from L/44 gun.