1/2 the tanks at 8.3 don’t have stabs.
90%+ tanks at 8.3 don’t have lrf.
Most tanks at 8.3 don’t have apfsds, and lets not kid ourselves that apds is any better than HEATFS.
Comparable or better mobility to most tanks around that br who have similar armor.
ah yes, because silhouette is what we are balancing on?
Compare to Chieftan Mk3/5. it has 50% more armor, far better firepower, similar mobility, all in exchange for a stab? Stabs are important, but when your ‘flubbed shot’ is reloaded before the opposing tank can rotate their turret to you, its rather significantly mitigated. Literally nothing around the entire br range has comparable firepower in an urban environment. And 2/3 of the maps have urban areas at this point.
BMPT got moved up a whole BR while having similar stats to T58, so 9.0 looks to be a great place to start.
Armor isn’t the only thing important on a tank as well.
It isn’t just the armor, it’s the fact an aware T58 can’t be peeked at all.
Most tanks don’t have a 2.6s reload, which is kind of the entire point of this thread. A reload that fast with a 155mm is better an any of the above, and the stats show that without any doubt. Everyone knows where to shoot it, its just the turret weak points are tiny on a tank that punishes ANY mistake. Its the 2nd highest kdr non-event vehicle in the game after the bmpt. And its been sitting at that height for months.
The stats disprove that opinion pretty definitively. How many times have french autoloaders been upteired now? AMX 50-100 and batchat were 7.0 at one point.
next time I see someone complain about a Hull-down BMPT I will tell them to just aim for the hull, I appreciate your wisdom bringing me this revelation.
He’s just being disingenuous while defending a brokenly OP vehicle he’s using.
His stats in it are much better than with other vehicles he used for reasons.
The type of the player that’ll scream RU bias from the top of it’s lungs but will defend egregiously OP vehicles from other nations.
It would all 9.0 vehicles have a good stab that are better then the ones found in 8.3 and auto rangefinder and a lot more apfds fighting thing with a lot better mobility and accuracy for long distance engagements
Guess what.
Tanks at 9.0 don’t have big APHE to overpressure you, unlike what T58 can do to them if they even show a single pixel of themselves.
Good thing long distance engagements aren’t common at 9.0.
AMX-30B2 was at 8.7 without a stabilizer for a very long time, don’t see why T58 couldn’t take the helm and be the first one at 9.0.
It’s simply too oppressive at 8.3 to be moved up by just a single BR step.
But that doesnt explain why technical moderators dont act like that. Saying something when you do contrarily means you just not saying the truth.
Yes I know but then how long can you ignore them before saying “they are all source based” is not just true a year, maybe 5?
If the enemy is gona kill you either way I will rather try getting gun on target first. Especialy at 9.0 most of the tanks cant survive hits even frontaly.
I am not saying it wont survive just that the gun handling wont be your strength anymore.
If 12.5% was the difference in reload you wouldnt act like that.
And APFSDS can easily hit precise spots past 500m. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.
BRMs are inconsistent at best, which is why people tend to contact Technical Moderators here, so they can review the documents and make an internal report about it.
Source based means that they won’t just go around and fiddle with the reload whenever they want, unlike on manually loaded tanks where reload speeds tend to jump all over the place.
You can’t know that.
Your side is always much weaker than your front.
Well, T58 needs to lose quite a bit of it’s strengths in order to be balanced.
Reload is tied to your every shot, moving your barrel up and down isn’t.
4.5s reload vs 4s reload is much more impactful than 4.5 degrees of vertical traverse vs 4 degrees.
That wasn’t from 155 mm it was from a Russian 122mm and 9.0 is filled with better heat and apfds but with better capabilities like composite armor in general it’s filled with more modern mbts then what you can find 8.3-8.7 witch can affect the friendly team of t58 as it would be useless
